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Old Sat Feb 06, 2016, 10:48pm
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Five Second, while holding in college
Did a college game tonight, but I'm primarily a H.S. official. I love the 30 second shot clock and I'm ok with the new "five second" closely guarded rule = holding only.... The fact that the best ball handler can dribble without giving it up to an average ball handler for most-if-not all of the possession is good and ideally the shorter shot clock render the five second call unnecessary...? However, will this make college officials lazy and avoid counting at all?
Ole Miss v Vandy 1:30 left in the game (full 30 sec. shot clock).
Guard holds the ball- closely guarded for 11 seconds and never even got a count started...
Maybe it'll be a POE next season?
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Old Sat Feb 06, 2016, 10:51pm
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Did a college game tonight, but I'm primarily a H.S. official. I love the 30 second shot clock and I'm ok with the new "five second" closely guarded rule = holding only.... The fact that the best ball handler can dribble without giving it up to an average ball handler for most-if-not all of the possession is good and ideally the shorter shot clock render the five second call unnecessary...? However, will this make college officials lazy and avoid counting at all?
Ole Miss v Vandy 1:30 left in the game (full 30 sec. shot clock).
Guard holds the ball- closely guarded for 11 seconds and never even got a count started...
Maybe it'll be a POI next season?
Point of Interruption??
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Old Sat Feb 06, 2016, 10:53pm
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Old Sat Feb 06, 2016, 11:28pm
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Just because you saw an official not counting doesn't mean the new rule is making college officials (plural) lazy.

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Old Sun Feb 07, 2016, 01:45pm
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Here's the play...

And yeah, there's a five-second closely guarded count that went uncounted.


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Old Sun Feb 07, 2016, 02:02pm
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Just because you saw an official not counting doesn't mean the new rule is making college officials (plural) lazy.

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Your response seems to indicate you think something different or at least have some other possible justification... Do tell!
What would you call a no count after 11-12 seconds?
Are they unsure of when to count?
Are they ignoring the rule?
Did the L forget the rule?
Does the L think it's not closely guarded?
Is it too late in the game to be concerned with this rule?




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Old Sun Feb 07, 2016, 02:05pm
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High School officials do not count properly and the rule has been the same for years. I have seen that very same thing in multiple high school games just this year even if there is a dribble. Not sure why there he not a count at all either, but not unusual in basketball at any level.

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Three feet, or six feet, for closely guarded in men's college basketball?

Closely guarded dribbling, and holding; or just holding, in men's college basketball?
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High School officials do not count properly and the rule has been the same for years.
Agree. It's been a local point of emphasis here for many years. It's not just new officials, it's also grizzled state tournament veterans.

Peter Webb, the IAABO Coordinator of Interpreters, observed our state tournament finals a few years ago, and tournament officials were highly criticized by him for not visibly counting when they were supposed to.
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Three feet, or six feet, for closely guarded in men's college basketball?

Closely guarded dribbling, and holding; or just holding, in men's college basketball?
It is 6 feet only when they are holding the ball. No closely guarded with a dribble anymore. The last part is a new rule for this year.

I cannot believe there was no count in the video.

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Old Sun Feb 07, 2016, 03:54pm
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Three feet, or six feet, for closely guarded in men's college basketball?

Closely guarded dribbling, and holding; or just holding, in men's college basketball?
Billy, it's the same in NCAAW and NCAAM as of this season: six feet only when holding the ball in the frontcourt.
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Billy, it's the same in NCAAW and NCAAM as of this season: six feet only when holding the ball in the frontcourt.
Six feet for NCAA Women?

Was it ever three feet for holding for NCAA Women (or anybody, for that matter)?

Our prep school teams use hybrid NCAA/NFHS rules, and we've been told to call closely guarded for three feet, holding only, in the frontcourt, only for our girls prep games.

Are we in error?

Connecticut Girls Prep School: 5-second closely-guarded count (3 feet) applies only to player who is holding the ball in the frontcourt.
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Six feet for NCAA Women?
Three feet for women.

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It's the same in NCAAW and NCAAM as of this season: six feet only when holding the ball in the frontcourt.
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Three feet for women.
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You obviously did not read or understand his post. It was very clear to me and others if you were not always trying to dissect something.

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