Illegal substitution?

[DrPete]

A6 does not have to play at this point. Player can be subbed in, and then out again with no time off the clock. But A5 cannot return until the clock has been properly started and time run off. Any other eligible player on the bench can come in to replace A6, as long as he reported to the table before the first horn, then play on.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by DrPete

... A5 cannot return until the clock has been properly started and time run off.

Hold on partner. Where does it say that A6 replaced A5? It could have been A1, A2, A3, A4, or A5.

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Hold on partner. Where does it say that A6 replaced A5? It could have been A1, A2, A3, A4, or A5.

Lets say A5 was the replaced player

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

Lets say A5 was the replaced player

Easy to say here on the Forum. Good luck trying to figure it out in a real game.

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by DrPete

A6 does not have to play at this point. Player can be subbed in, and then out again with no time off the clock. But A5 cannot return until the clock has been properly started and time run off. Any other eligible player on the bench can come in to replace A6, as long as he reported to the table before the first horn, then play on.

So would you prevent anything by telling A5 Can not be in the game. Or is it a technical foul for an illegal player?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

So would you prevent anything by telling A5 Can not be in the game. Or is it a technical foul for an illegal player?

Why do assume it's A5? It could have been A1, A2, A3, A4, or A5.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

So would you prevent anything by telling A5 Can not be in the game. Or is it a technical foul for an illegal player?

The rule is that a replaced player cannot return until the clock has run.

For many years now, players do not have to identify the player they are replacing when they check in. So in reality, there's no way to identify the player who must return. IOW, there's nothing you can do here except ignore B Coach's attempt at a cheap technical foul against A.

[Rich]

This is the kind of situation that's interesting to talk about, along with questions like "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin."

In the real world, though, a team can call back a sub that's reported, so whether A6 comes into the game or not, the official has nothing to do.

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by Rich

This is the kind of situation that's interesting to talk about, along with questions like "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin."

In the real world, though, a team can call back a sub that's reported, so whether A6 comes into the game or not, the official has nothing to do.

So when does a player become a legal player. Why check in at all? I understand what your saying and I had nothing on this play either but there is a legitimate question here. Not as silly as you make it seem.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

So when does a player become a legal player. Why check in at all? I understand what your saying and I had nothing on this play either but there is a legitimate question here. Not as silly as you make it seem.

That's specifically covered in the rule book. Have a look. I'm surprised that an entire association would miss this.

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by Rich

That's specifically covered in the rule book. Have a look. I'm surprised that an entire association would miss this.

I and we did look at it. Rule 3.3.3 but it is Not clear when he becomes a legal player. If you want to give rules in your answer I will gladly listen to you.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

... how many angels can fit on the head of a pin ...

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

... there is a legitimate question here. Not as silly as you make it seem.

Agree. Take it a step further and assume that either A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, or A6 decides to mouth off, using profanity, to an official. Is the coach seatbelted (technical foul on bench personnel), or not (technical foul on a player)? We don't need to know how may angels can fit on the head of a pin (a metaphor for wasting time debating topics of no practical value), but we do need to know answers to questions posed in this thread, like who's a player, and who is bench personnel.

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. Take it a step further and assume that either A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, or A6 decides to mouth off, using profanity, to an official. Is the coach seatbelted (technical foul on bench personnel), or not (technical foul on a player)? We don't need to know how may angels can fit on the head of a pin (a metaphor for wasting time debating topics of no practical value), but we do need to know answers to questions posed in this thread.

It doesn't seem like "waisting time" when your partner calls a technical foul for this, and you are trying to show proof in the rule book that It was correct or incorrect. I just want to officiate the game the way the rules commity ask is to.