Illegal substitution?

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by DrPete

A6 does not have to play at this point. Player can be subbed in, and then out again with no time off the clock. But A5 cannot return until the clock has been properly started and time run off. Any other eligible player on the bench can come in to replace A6, as long as he reported to the table before the first horn, then play on.

So would you prevent anything by telling A5 Can not be in the game. Or is it a technical foul for an illegal player?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

So would you prevent anything by telling A5 Can not be in the game. Or is it a technical foul for an illegal player?

Why do assume it's A5? It could have been A1, A2, A3, A4, or A5.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

So would you prevent anything by telling A5 Can not be in the game. Or is it a technical foul for an illegal player?

The rule is that a replaced player cannot return until the clock has run.

For many years now, players do not have to identify the player they are replacing when they check in. So in reality, there's no way to identify the player who must return. IOW, there's nothing you can do here except ignore B Coach's attempt at a cheap technical foul against A.

[Rich]

This is the kind of situation that's interesting to talk about, along with questions like "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin."

In the real world, though, a team can call back a sub that's reported, so whether A6 comes into the game or not, the official has nothing to do.

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by Rich

This is the kind of situation that's interesting to talk about, along with questions like "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin."

In the real world, though, a team can call back a sub that's reported, so whether A6 comes into the game or not, the official has nothing to do.

So when does a player become a legal player. Why check in at all? I understand what your saying and I had nothing on this play either but there is a legitimate question here. Not as silly as you make it seem.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

A1 thru A5 is on the floor. A6 is waiting at the Table. A coach calls timeout. Referee says sub your in, timeout A coach full timeout start it. On resumption of play A1 thru A5 are on the floor. Before the ball is administered the B coach says #30 (A6) isn't on the floor. What do we have?

An official who has no business beckoning a sub. Call the timeout, let A do what they want to do prior to the warning horn.

I'd have no problem with A1 through A5 in the game after the timeout.

[Rich]

Do you check the book at halftime and ensure those who were in the game at halftime return to start the second half?

I'm willing to bet scorers don't all track that. In 29 years I've never once seen a team argue that subs were improper after halftime.

I have denied subs entry, but those are ones who come to the table after a warning horn OR try to reenter without sitting a tick.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Do you check the book at halftime and ensure those who were in the game at halftime return to start the second half?

I'm willing to bet scorers don't all track that. In 29 years I've never once seen a team argue that subs were improper after halftime.

I have denied subs entry, but those are ones who come to the table after a warning horn OR try to reenter without sitting a tick.

If I am aware of the situation or am made aware by the scorer, I would enforce the rule. For example, if I know that a certain player was in the game because he made a buzzer beater at the end of the previous quarter or fouled near the horn, I look to see if that kid starts the next quarter unless properly substituted.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If I am aware of the situation or am made aware by the scorer, I would enforce the rule. For example, if I know that a certain player was in the game because he made a buzzer beater at the end of the previous quarter or fouled near the horn, I look to see if that kid starts the next quarter unless properly substituted.

How do you know if he's been properly substituted? A team representative merely has to tell the scorer -- and this may happen when I'm not looking.

Do you actually go over and ask the scorer? As the R, I'm going to the division line and one of the Us is retrieving a ball for me.

I have no problem with the rule -- I just have a problem with the feasibility of enforcing it without looking like an OOO.