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[crosscountry55]

What you described is what we do. I wouldn't be surprised if we're the last place in America that does it. We do go strong side as L, and T goes to the top of the key to look weak side. We split the paint, too, just like in 3-p. Sometimes in transition T/new L gets run over.

Definitely a legitimate Cadillac.


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[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

What you described is what we do. I wouldn't be surprised if we're the last place in America that does it. We do go strong side as L, and T goes to the top of the key to look weak side. We split the paint, too, just like in 3-p. Sometimes in transition T/new L gets run over.

Definitely a legitimate Cadillac.


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There's a reason no one else is doing it. Going strong side mitigates the disaster of Cadillac somewhat, but there's just no need for it. It does absolutely nothing good for positioning.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Adam

There's a reason no one else is doing it. Going strong side mitigates the disaster of Cadillac somewhat, but there's just no need for it. It does absolutely nothing good for positioning.

Two years ago I would have agreed with you. But I've found it works…IF L goes ball side as necessary and the T works really hard around the arc.

If this doesn't happen, Cadillac is as good as useless.


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[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Two years ago I would have agreed with you. But I've found it works…IF L goes ball side as necessary and the T works really hard around the arc.

If this doesn't happen, Cadillac is as good as useless.


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I don't see the benefit of Cadillac at all. IF you're doing those things, Cadillac is still useless. The benefit doesn't come from Cadillac, it comes from the L going ball side when appropriate.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't see the benefit of Cadillac at all. IF you're doing those things, Cadillac is still useless. The benefit doesn't come from Cadillac, it comes from the L going ball side when appropriate.

maybe teams used to be extremely right-handed. That can make Cadillac more effective by reducing the times L needs to cross-over.

But, I agree that it hasn't been useful for 20 years or so.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

There's a reason no one else is doing it. Going strong side mitigates the disaster of Cadillac somewhat, but there's just no need for it. It does absolutely nothing good for positioning.

I was going to write something here, but I'm not sure if you agree or disagree with me, so I think I'll just ask you to clarify for me....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

I was going to write something here, but I'm not sure if you agree or disagree with me, so I think I'll just ask you to clarify for me....

1. Cadillac is dumb.
2. It's less dumb if the officials are still working angles and moving, such as lead going strong side when appropriate.
3. It's still not as good as just getting into proper position and not worrying about whether the court is on your left.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

1. Cadillac is dumb.
2. It's less dumb if the officials are still working angles and moving, such as lead going strong side when appropriate.
3. It's still not as good as just getting into proper position and not worrying about whether the court is on your left.

I still don't believe that they're actually working Cadillac. That mechanic died with the dodo bird and I've officiated in 5 states since it did.

Question for him:

If you inbound the ball on the right side of the floor (facing the offense's end line), are you expected to cross over the floor during the live ball or do you just work the T from that side?

Cause Cadillac means you're expected to cross over at your first opportunity and the L will respond by crossing over as well.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Rich

I still don't believe that they're actually working Cadillac. That mechanic died with the dodo bird and I've officiated in 5 states since it did.

Question for him:

If you inbound the ball on the right side of the floor (facing the offense's end line), are you expected to cross over the floor during the live ball or do you just work the T from that side?

Cause Cadillac means you're expected to cross over at your first opportunity and the L will respond by crossing over as well.

Now I have to look up this Cadillac thing. It sounds ridiculous.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Dad

Now I have to look up this Cadillac thing. It sounds ridiculous.

My guess is that they appropriated that term from the days of the dodo bird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaOp8vs317c

11:13 mark of this video is a perfect example of this.

39:33 is an inbounds in the "right" corner and the trail official immediately moves to the left. Unseen is the L, who started right and switched sides when the trail did.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Rich

I still don't believe that they're actually working Cadillac. That mechanic died with the dodo bird and I've officiated in 5 states since it did.

Question for him:

If you inbound the ball on the right side of the floor (facing the offense's end line), are you expected to cross over the floor during the live ball or do you just work the T from that side?

Cause Cadillac means you're expected to cross over at your first opportunity and the L will respond by crossing over as well.

A: We cross over the floor, though L always starts left in that situation. Conversely, if the throw-in is frontcourt sideline left, the L starts positioned on his right (i.e. strong side....just like in 3-p). I suppose that latter part is a slight modification to the Cadillac of old. All in all, however, the way we do 2-p helps give our new officials a feel for rotations so that the switch to 3-p mechanics later comes more naturally.


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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

All in all, however, the way we do 2-p helps give our new officials a feel for rotations so that the switch to 3-p mechanics later comes more naturally.

I don't think this follows at all.