Official Down!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

I was going to write something here, but I'm not sure if you agree or disagree with me, so I think I'll just ask you to clarify for me....

1. Cadillac is dumb.
2. It's less dumb if the officials are still working angles and moving, such as lead going strong side when appropriate.
3. It's still not as good as just getting into proper position and not worrying about whether the court is on your left.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

1. Cadillac is dumb.
2. It's less dumb if the officials are still working angles and moving, such as lead going strong side when appropriate.
3. It's still not as good as just getting into proper position and not worrying about whether the court is on your left.

I still don't believe that they're actually working Cadillac. That mechanic died with the dodo bird and I've officiated in 5 states since it did.

Question for him:

If you inbound the ball on the right side of the floor (facing the offense's end line), are you expected to cross over the floor during the live ball or do you just work the T from that side?

Cause Cadillac means you're expected to cross over at your first opportunity and the L will respond by crossing over as well.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Rich

I still don't believe that they're actually working Cadillac. That mechanic died with the dodo bird and I've officiated in 5 states since it did.

Question for him:

If you inbound the ball on the right side of the floor (facing the offense's end line), are you expected to cross over the floor during the live ball or do you just work the T from that side?

Cause Cadillac means you're expected to cross over at your first opportunity and the L will respond by crossing over as well.

Now I have to look up this Cadillac thing. It sounds ridiculous.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Dad

Now I have to look up this Cadillac thing. It sounds ridiculous.

My guess is that they appropriated that term from the days of the dodo bird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaOp8vs317c

11:13 mark of this video is a perfect example of this.

39:33 is an inbounds in the "right" corner and the trail official immediately moves to the left. Unseen is the L, who started right and switched sides when the trail did.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by Rich

My guess is that they appropriated that term from the days of the dodo bird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaOp8vs317c

11:13 mark of this video is a perfect example of this.

39:33 is an inbounds in the "right" corner and the trail official immediately moves to the left. Unseen is the L, who started right and switched sides when the trail did.

AT 11:13, why do the officials switch sides of the floor? Is the goal to always have the Trail on the ball side?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

AT 11:13, why do the officials switch sides of the floor? Is the goal to always have the Trail on the ball side?

That's how things were done in 1987. The goal was to have the officials "go left" at the first convenient opportunity.

I enjoyed watching this, mainly cause this was my first year as a HS official.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

That's how things were done in 1987. The goal was to have the officials "go left" at the first convenient opportunity.

I enjoyed watching this, mainly cause this was my first year as a HS official.

I also noticed the trail signaling the successful two-point goal at 39:47.

Then there's the collars.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

AT 11:13, why do the officials switch sides of the floor? Is the goal to always have the Trail on the ball side?

No. The goal is to always have the players on the officials right (I think -- it's been a long time)

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Rich

I still don't believe that they're actually working Cadillac. That mechanic died with the dodo bird and I've officiated in 5 states since it did.

Question for him:

If you inbound the ball on the right side of the floor (facing the offense's end line), are you expected to cross over the floor during the live ball or do you just work the T from that side?

Cause Cadillac means you're expected to cross over at your first opportunity and the L will respond by crossing over as well.

A: We cross over the floor, though L always starts left in that situation. Conversely, if the throw-in is frontcourt sideline left, the L starts positioned on his right (i.e. strong side....just like in 3-p). I suppose that latter part is a slight modification to the Cadillac of old. All in all, however, the way we do 2-p helps give our new officials a feel for rotations so that the switch to 3-p mechanics later comes more naturally.


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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

All in all, however, the way we do 2-p helps give our new officials a feel for rotations so that the switch to 3-p mechanics later comes more naturally.

I don't think this follows at all.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't think this follows at all.

It does in L. Our 2-p L behaves just like a 3-p L.

T…not so much. T's home base is left, but he's all over the place and when L rotates over right, T moves above the key to view the weak side.


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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It does in L. Our 2-p L behaves just like a 3-p L.

Much of that should happen whether you work Cadillac or not.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It does in L. Our 2-p L behaves just like a 3-p L.

T…not so much. T's home base is left, but he's all over the place and when L rotates over right, T moves above the key to view the weak side.


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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Much of that should happen whether you work Cadillac or not.

That's what I meant earlier, too. There's nothing about the Cadillac aspects that even remotely helps. In 2 man, I move ball side a lot.

My issue with Cadillac, and it came back to me as I was watching the video Rich posted, is that the official spends way too much mental energy looking for an opportunity to cross the court, and then puts himself into an awkward position while crossing the court.

I noticed in the video they would start in positions that were not ideal just to facilitate the Cadillac moves later.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Much of that should happen whether you work Cadillac or not.

Precisely. That's just working 2-person effectively. I was fortunate to have trainers when I started out that really emphasized that the T went where he needed to see the action and that the L should not be afraid to flex over and rotate when needed. It does make adapting to 3-person mechanics easier and that has nothing to do with working Cadillac (which just sounds awful).