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IncorrectCall Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:15am

Official Down!
 
I just wanna know if they finished the game 2 man.

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Jay R Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:14am

I can only assume. There are no stand-by officials for regular season games.

crosscountry55 Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:54am

Did they work Cadillac? [emoji14]


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Rich Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:27pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 977550)
Did they work Cadillac? [emoji14]


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I think officials can learn a lot about how 2-man is supposed to be worked by watching NCAA and NBA officials work when someone goes down. Their leads work strong side, their trails go where they need to go, and they play the percentages as best they can.

It's what all 2-person officiating should be.

Dad Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:30pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 977559)
I think officials can learn a lot about how 2-man is supposed to be worked by watching NCAA and NBA officials work when someone goes down. Their leads work strong side, their trails go where they need to go, and they play the percentages as best they can.

It's what all 2-person officiating should be.

I've never had the opportunity to see this and I've watched a lot of games. :(

crosscountry55 Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:33pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 977559)
I think officials can learn a lot about how 2-man is supposed to be worked by watching NCAA and NBA officials work when someone goes down. Their leads work strong side, their trails go where they need to go, and they play the percentages as best they can.



It's what all 2-person officiating should be.


Great points. But there is a drawback: we work a quality Cadillac in my current area and, paradoxically, it works so well that it's been one of the primary obstacles to our efforts to transition to 3-person. The schools like the product, and so they ask themselves, "why pay for a 3rd?"


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Rich Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:46pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 977562)
Great points. But there is a drawback: we work a quality Cadillac in my current area and, paradoxically, it works so well that it's been one of the primary obstacles to our efforts to transition to 3-person. The schools like the product, and so they ask themselves, "why pay for a 3rd?"


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You don't work Cadillac, trust me....not unless you're still using mechanics from the 1980s. Cadillac referred to officials always working on the left side of the floor (from their perspective). Trails would crossover coming up the floor to "put the crew in Cadillac." Thankfully that nonsense went out the window in the late 1980s / early 1990s.

But if you're saying that your leads stay on one side of the floor then you simply aren't giving the game the best product you can. I can officiate post play much better by working strong-side, as can any lead official.

crosscountry55 Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:54pm

What you described is what we do. I wouldn't be surprised if we're the last place in America that does it. We do go strong side as L, and T goes to the top of the key to look weak side. We split the paint, too, just like in 3-p. Sometimes in transition T/new L gets run over.

Definitely a legitimate Cadillac.


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Rufus Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 977564)
You don't work Cadillac, trust me....not unless you're still using mechanics from the 1980s. Cadillac referred to officials always working on the left side of the floor (from their perspective). Trails would crossover coming up the floor to "put the crew in Cadillac." Thankfully that nonsense went out the window in the late 1980s / early 1990s.

But if you're saying that your leads stay on one side of the floor then you simply aren't giving the game the best product you can. I can officiate post play much better by working strong-side, as can any lead official.

This is the second time in a week Cadillac has come up and I recall it with the same vague sense of indigestion I got when crossing over the backcourt to keep from being in "opposite." That was an actual point of feedback from evaluators - time spent opposite.

Dear lord, the memories...

Adam Fri Jan 22, 2016 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 977566)
What you described is what we do. I wouldn't be surprised if we're the last place in America that does it. We do go strong side as L, and T goes to the top of the key to look weak side. We split the paint, too, just like in 3-p. Sometimes in transition T/new L gets run over.

Definitely a legitimate Cadillac.


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There's a reason no one else is doing it. Going strong side mitigates the disaster of Cadillac somewhat, but there's just no need for it. It does absolutely nothing good for positioning.

crosscountry55 Fri Jan 22, 2016 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 977572)
There's a reason no one else is doing it. Going strong side mitigates the disaster of Cadillac somewhat, but there's just no need for it. It does absolutely nothing good for positioning.


Two years ago I would have agreed with you. But I've found it works…IF L goes ball side as necessary and the T works really hard around the arc.

If this doesn't happen, Cadillac is as good as useless.


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Rich Fri Jan 22, 2016 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 977572)
There's a reason no one else is doing it. Going strong side mitigates the disaster of Cadillac somewhat, but there's just no need for it. It does absolutely nothing good for positioning.

I was going to write something here, but I'm not sure if you agree or disagree with me, so I think I'll just ask you to clarify for me....

Raymond Fri Jan 22, 2016 02:22pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 977562)
Great points. But there is a drawback: we work a quality Cadillac in my current area and, paradoxically, it works so well that it's been one of the primary obstacles to our efforts to transition to 3-person. The schools like the product, and so they ask themselves, "why pay for a 3rd?"


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I thought you guys already made that change this season

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crosscountry55 Fri Jan 22, 2016 02:30pm

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I thought you guys already made that change this season

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Last year was marginal, this year we're about 85%. Still several HRAC Christian schools plus our outlying Class A schools who haven't "bought in" yet.


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Adam Fri Jan 22, 2016 02:41pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 977591)
I was going to write something here, but I'm not sure if you agree or disagree with me, so I think I'll just ask you to clarify for me....

1. Cadillac is dumb.
2. It's less dumb if the officials are still working angles and moving, such as lead going strong side when appropriate.
3. It's still not as good as just getting into proper position and not worrying about whether the court is on your left.


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