Official Down!

[IncorrectCall]

I just wanna know if they finished the game 2 man.

NBA Ref Scott Wall Leaves Game After Being Injured By TV Cameraman

[Jay R]

I can only assume. There are no stand-by officials for regular season games.

[crosscountry55]

Did they work Cadillac?


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[Rich]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Did they work Cadillac?


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I think officials can learn a lot about how 2-man is supposed to be worked by watching NCAA and NBA officials work when someone goes down. Their leads work strong side, their trails go where they need to go, and they play the percentages as best they can.

It's what all 2-person officiating should be.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Rich

I think officials can learn a lot about how 2-man is supposed to be worked by watching NCAA and NBA officials work when someone goes down. Their leads work strong side, their trails go where they need to go, and they play the percentages as best they can.

It's what all 2-person officiating should be.

I've never had the opportunity to see this and I've watched a lot of games.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Rich

I think officials can learn a lot about how 2-man is supposed to be worked by watching NCAA and NBA officials work when someone goes down. Their leads work strong side, their trails go where they need to go, and they play the percentages as best they can.



It's what all 2-person officiating should be.

Great points. But there is a drawback: we work a quality Cadillac in my current area and, paradoxically, it works so well that it's been one of the primary obstacles to our efforts to transition to 3-person. The schools like the product, and so they ask themselves, "why pay for a 3rd?"


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[Rich]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Great points. But there is a drawback: we work a quality Cadillac in my current area and, paradoxically, it works so well that it's been one of the primary obstacles to our efforts to transition to 3-person. The schools like the product, and so they ask themselves, "why pay for a 3rd?"


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You don't work Cadillac, trust me....not unless you're still using mechanics from the 1980s. Cadillac referred to officials always working on the left side of the floor (from their perspective). Trails would crossover coming up the floor to "put the crew in Cadillac." Thankfully that nonsense went out the window in the late 1980s / early 1990s.

But if you're saying that your leads stay on one side of the floor then you simply aren't giving the game the best product you can. I can officiate post play much better by working strong-side, as can any lead official.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Rich

You don't work Cadillac, trust me....not unless you're still using mechanics from the 1980s. Cadillac referred to officials always working on the left side of the floor (from their perspective). Trails would crossover coming up the floor to "put the crew in Cadillac." Thankfully that nonsense went out the window in the late 1980s / early 1990s.

But if you're saying that your leads stay on one side of the floor then you simply aren't giving the game the best product you can. I can officiate post play much better by working strong-side, as can any lead official.

This is the second time in a week Cadillac has come up and I recall it with the same vague sense of indigestion I got when crossing over the backcourt to keep from being in "opposite." That was an actual point of feedback from evaluators - time spent opposite.

Dear lord, the memories...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Great points. But there is a drawback: we work a quality Cadillac in my current area and, paradoxically, it works so well that it's been one of the primary obstacles to our efforts to transition to 3-person. The schools like the product, and so they ask themselves, "why pay for a 3rd?"


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I thought you guys already made that change this season

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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I thought you guys already made that change this season

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Last year was marginal, this year we're about 85%. Still several HRAC Christian schools plus our outlying Class A schools who haven't "bought in" yet.


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[crosscountry55]

What you described is what we do. I wouldn't be surprised if we're the last place in America that does it. We do go strong side as L, and T goes to the top of the key to look weak side. We split the paint, too, just like in 3-p. Sometimes in transition T/new L gets run over.

Definitely a legitimate Cadillac.


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[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

What you described is what we do. I wouldn't be surprised if we're the last place in America that does it. We do go strong side as L, and T goes to the top of the key to look weak side. We split the paint, too, just like in 3-p. Sometimes in transition T/new L gets run over.

Definitely a legitimate Cadillac.


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There's a reason no one else is doing it. Going strong side mitigates the disaster of Cadillac somewhat, but there's just no need for it. It does absolutely nothing good for positioning.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Adam

There's a reason no one else is doing it. Going strong side mitigates the disaster of Cadillac somewhat, but there's just no need for it. It does absolutely nothing good for positioning.

Two years ago I would have agreed with you. But I've found it works…IF L goes ball side as necessary and the T works really hard around the arc.

If this doesn't happen, Cadillac is as good as useless.


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[Adam]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Two years ago I would have agreed with you. But I've found it works…IF L goes ball side as necessary and the T works really hard around the arc.

If this doesn't happen, Cadillac is as good as useless.


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I don't see the benefit of Cadillac at all. IF you're doing those things, Cadillac is still useless. The benefit doesn't come from Cadillac, it comes from the L going ball side when appropriate.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't see the benefit of Cadillac at all. IF you're doing those things, Cadillac is still useless. The benefit doesn't come from Cadillac, it comes from the L going ball side when appropriate.

maybe teams used to be extremely right-handed. That can make Cadillac more effective by reducing the times L needs to cross-over.

But, I agree that it hasn't been useful for 20 years or so.