Coach appears to headbutt official

[tnolan]

Found video on Twitter from PA game down near Philly.
Tough to tell from the video but the coach "pumps" his head and chest towards the official who appears to T him up before that.
Not 100% sure if he makes contact, but the official goes down quick!

https://youtu.be/4lHpCW2lhhM



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[ODog]

I'm going to assume the coach is already fired and charges will be coming soon?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by ODog

I'm going to assume the coach is already fired and charges will be coming soon?

Should be. Nothing excuses that. One of his players on the bench behind him puts his arms over his head in the last few frames, as if to say, "suddenly, our season will never be the same."

In the spirit of lessons learned, however, the calling official did not help things. He appeared to be issuing the technical with extreme anger/emotion. I'm sure the T was warranted. But when you let it get personal, things can get out of hand. Always say to yourself, "it's just another foul." Stay calm. Report. Then go administer free throws while your partners handle the admin and aftermath. Good to pre-game this.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Should be. Nothing excuses that.

You're right. Nothing excuses this. I've deleted the irrelevant part of your post.

[PAlbc]

Figured this would make it here. Unfortunately this is my school. You are right that nothing excuses the coach's actions. His current status is "indefinite suspension", but that will most likely be upgraded to "dismissed" in short order.

That being said the angle of the videos (and I've seen some from the other direction) makes a huge difference in how much contact there seems to be. Even the opposing fans (who were chanting "coach is a scumbag" immediately after) even said the official should get an Oscar.

Doesn't matter what fouls happened or even if contact happened. Just the gesture of the "headbutt" should be a dismissal let alone if it connected.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by PAlbc

said the official should get an Oscar.

If he sold the crap out of it I only have one thing to say:

Good for him.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Should be. Nothing excuses that. One of his players on the bench behind him puts his arms over his head in the last few frames, as if to say, "suddenly, our season will never be the same."

In the spirit of lessons learned, however, the calling official did not help things. He appeared to be issuing the technical with extreme anger/emotion. I'm sure the T was warranted. But when you let it get personal, things can get out of hand. Always say to yourself, "it's just another foul." Stay calm. Report. Then go administer free throws while your partners handle the admin and aftermath. Good to pre-game this.

I don't know how you can see "extreme anger/emotion" from this video. And regardless its almost an insult to suggest that he "didn't help things" or acted in any manner whatsoever that led to this coach's actions.

And I see the "it's just another foul call" jargon a lot around here. I disagree. It's not just another call. Doesnt mean you get emotional or make a big deal out of it but its not the same as a common foul or a violation and I don't think we should lie and say it is.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Should be. Nothing excuses that. One of his players on the bench behind him puts his arms over his head in the last few frames, as if to say, "suddenly, our season will never be the same."

In the spirit of lessons learned, however, the calling official did not help things. He appeared to be issuing the technical with extreme anger/emotion. I'm sure the T was warranted. But when you let it get personal, things can get out of hand. Always say to yourself, "it's just another foul." Stay calm. Report. Then go administer free throws while your partners handle the admin and aftermath. Good to pre-game this.

How the hell can you derive this from this video alone?

And why does it matter? I'm sorry but we are not robots. If I whack a coach there will probably be some personality and emotion with the call.

Technical fouls are "just another foul"? Preposterous.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SC Official

How the hell can you derive this from this video alone?

And why does it matter? I'm sorry but we are not robots. If I whack a coach there will probably be some personality and emotion with the call.

Technical fouls are "just another foul"? Preposterous.

I chalk that phrase up as another example of ludicrous camp speak. A T is not just like another foul no matter how many times someone tries to say that.

[bballref3966]

I know NFHS purists frown upon showing any inkling of personality with our calls, but I really don't care. NBA and college officials almost always call Ts with emphasis. Don't understand why it's seen as taboo in high school.

[Refhoop]

I feel More for the kids, they have to answer questions daily about this stupidity by their coach!
The official is now the hero and the coach is the goat and rightly so; because he made an enormous mistake.
So now what do you gain by throwing him in jail for a night... Assuming he can make bail...?



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[Adam]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

I feel More for the kids, they have to answer questions daily about this stupidity by their coach!
The official is now the hero and the coach is the goat and rightly so; because he made an enormous mistake.
So now what do you gain by throwing him in jail for a night... Assuming he can make bail...?



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He now has an arrest record that he has to answer to for background checks. He's teaching (special ed, from what I have red) kids in school, and I'd be shocked if this was his first time physically losing his temper.

And physical assault in the course of performing his duties is not going to be easy to move through. I'm ok with that. I want this to be a felony, too.

What's gained? Maybe, just maybe, a hot head stops having a chance to teach kids.

What's gained? Maybe, just maybe, the next hot head realizes he doesn't get away with acting like a 5 year old child just because he gets caught up in the heat of the competition.

He's a damned adult and should be expected to act accordingly.

And if an official head butted a coach in the midst of a heated discussion, I think we'd all be calling for charges there, too. Assaulting people has consequences in the real world, and the basketball court is not an exemption to the real world.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

I feel More for the kids, they have to answer questions daily about this stupidity by their coach!
The official is now the hero and the coach is the goat and rightly so; because he made an enormous mistake.
So now what do you gain by throwing him in jail for a night... Assuming he can make bail...?

That is even more reason he needs to be gone and in jail. If this had happened in a bar, we would not be talking about what should nor what should be happening here. We would be making it clear that the person had violated the law should be prosecuted. This person is supposed to be an example for his kids and school.

And since you do not know what will be gained, he needs to have on his actual record that anytime he applies for a job that someone can see he was convicted of a crime. And since he is around kids, that should matter. There are people all over that have even a misdemeanor violation that have to explain to an employer why they are convicted. Maybe that will help deter others from acting like they cannot behave during a sporting event. As I have said, if officials started attacking everyone that said something bad to us or did something we did not like, we would not get a pass I am sure. They would talk about us as an authority figure and we would have to pay for our actions.

To me the playing field/court should be the last place this stuff happens. It is not like the world is going to come crashing down because you do not like a block/charge call. It is one thing to come onto the court, but it is another to even think of touching that person and not even the person that had anything to do with the call.

Peace

[Da Official]

Like Rut said....I so wish there was a Like/Love button! So much good conversation going on.

My 2 cents...

1. Block/Charge calls can often go either way and unless you are positioned to see clearly between the 2 players your chances are higher to get it wrong. Block/Charge in this game....Who cares. Bodies on the floor we have to come out with something.

2. No excuse for the coaches behavior. Period.

3. After watching this footage I'm definitely going to make sure I take a step or 2 away from an angry coach or player BEFORE I give a Technical (as self preservation should be #1).

4. I watched the video from the beginning of the game and it appears the official who was assaulted performed the toss, so its possible he was the R and possibly the reason he wanted to help the L with the Technical. Just a thought.

5. I have NO respect for any coach, player, administrator, or fan that assaults officials because its a cowardly act. They know we are less likely to physically or verbally fight back because of our role.

6. I'm with the I hope our fellow official presses charges as this event will affect ALL officials. Unfortunately going through the legal process is the only way we can protect ourselves....

Be safe Ladies and Gentlemen!

[Rich]

If a citizen did the exact same thing to a police officer, I guarantee he wouldn't be charged with harassment.