Coach appears to headbutt official

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Should be. Nothing excuses that. One of his players on the bench behind him puts his arms over his head in the last few frames, as if to say, "suddenly, our season will never be the same."

In the spirit of lessons learned, however, the calling official did not help things. He appeared to be issuing the technical with extreme anger/emotion. I'm sure the T was warranted. But when you let it get personal, things can get out of hand. Always say to yourself, "it's just another foul." Stay calm. Report. Then go administer free throws while your partners handle the admin and aftermath. Good to pre-game this.

How the hell can you derive this from this video alone?

And why does it matter? I'm sorry but we are not robots. If I whack a coach there will probably be some personality and emotion with the call.

Technical fouls are "just another foul"? Preposterous.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SC Official

How the hell can you derive this from this video alone?

And why does it matter? I'm sorry but we are not robots. If I whack a coach there will probably be some personality and emotion with the call.

Technical fouls are "just another foul"? Preposterous.

I chalk that phrase up as another example of ludicrous camp speak. A T is not just like another foul no matter how many times someone tries to say that.

[bballref3966]

I know NFHS purists frown upon showing any inkling of personality with our calls, but I really don't care. NBA and college officials almost always call Ts with emphasis. Don't understand why it's seen as taboo in high school.

Is it just me or does the official appear to make the technical foul signal twice?

[Refhoop]

Wow!
Reminds me to be professional at all times, especially when addressing the coaches, fans or players... cause when the game is on the line or they don't like a call; they can and will turn on us like mange dogs.
What an disgrace!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

I know NFHS purists frown upon showing any inkling of personality with our calls, but I really don't care. NBA and college officials almost always call Ts with emphasis. Don't understand why it's seen as taboo in high school.

I have been told at college camps to call a T just like it is any other foul. I think that is more what you hear people in your area or camps say. I do not get the impression that is any more than a person position that individuals take like they do with many other things. What I do at the college level is almost identical to what I do at the high school level. I guys I work for that assign college are some of the same people I work or worked high school for. The biggest difference is the shirt, but that is about it.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Here is the video slowed down. The coach needs to be fired.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Here's another view of the incident. The play leading up to it begins at 1:33:29 on the 2nd video on the page. The first video is a condensed version.

http://livestream.com/accounts/1274087/events/4613089

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Here's another view of the incident. The play leading up to it begins at 1:33:29 on the 2nd video on the page. The first video is a condensed version.

1-5: Pennsbury vs. Neshaminy on Livestream

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Interesting....

The call that led to the T was wrong, IMO. The defender slid in late (after the shooter was airborne) and the contact was well off center (meaning there probably wouldn't have even been contact if not for the defender sliding in late.) Call should have been a block.

Either way, the response by the coach was entirely unacceptable.

[tnolan]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Here's another view of the incident. The play leading up to it begins at 1:33:29 on the 2nd video on the page. The first video is a condensed version.

1-5: Pennsbury vs. Neshaminy on Livestream

(obviously I'm out of practice with embedding...)

Thanks! This is a much better video (for officials to learn from) as you state in your next post.

I agree with most here, that:
A) more than likely should have been a block call based on the secondary defenders' timing of LGP
B) C could probably make this call, but not from where he appeared to be in the video. maybe it's just the video, but it looks like he's a mile away! and instead of closing down, he tilts his head a little bit and never moves. so IMO, Lead has the better look here as center didn't put himself into position to make this call. at first i was afraid there would be a no call!
C) obviously, the coaches actions (contact or none) are ridiculously unacceptable

So here's more of my take on the sitch after seeing this entire thing play out....
IMO, I hate the knock the guy but....I know that Trail is just trying to help out, but I'm sorry. He needs to let the Lead live with his call and deal with an irate coach himself. Lead sold his call hard, so I can only assume that he 100% believed he was right. When the coach comes well out of his box to argue the call, and by book, warrants a T just for that, maybe after the Lead reports, he can calm him down back into his box and we can continue playing ball. In that situation, it depends on what he says exactly...but 99.99% of the time, I'm going to T him up as well. And maybe the Lead should have T'd him up quicker, and the Trail would not of had to get involved. Either way, I don't think this is the Trail's fight to enter.

With that being said, I'm still not sure if contact was made. And it's obvious that regardless of whether it was or not, the action of "chest/head pumping" or "faking" towards an official is an immediate ejection, for a player or coach. And then the coach waves his arm after the official falls down, as if to say, "pffft, i barely even touched you or didn't touch him at all, whatever" sort of gesture. completely uncalled for. I hope as many coaches see this video as officials and take some time to realize that they really need to be professional at all times.
For the officials sake, I hope that no contact was made and I hope that he is okay.

[Hugh Refner]

Here's what the original Youtube page says:

"Neshaminy and Pennsbury were in a tight game with seconds remaining in regulation. According to City of Basketball Love, a Neshaminy player was called for a charge, wiping out a layup that could've made the margin three points. That's when coach Jerry Devine lost it."