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tnolan Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:53pm

Coach appears to headbutt official
 
Found video on Twitter from PA game down near Philly.
Tough to tell from the video but the coach "pumps" his head and chest towards the official who appears to T him up before that.
Not 100% sure if he makes contact, but the official goes down quick!

https://youtu.be/4lHpCW2lhhM

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ODog Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:59pm

I'm going to assume the coach is already fired and charges will be coming soon?

crosscountry55 Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:13pm

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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 975319)
I'm going to assume the coach is already fired and charges will be coming soon?

Should be. Nothing excuses that. One of his players on the bench behind him puts his arms over his head in the last few frames, as if to say, "suddenly, our season will never be the same."

In the spirit of lessons learned, however, the calling official did not help things. He appeared to be issuing the technical with extreme anger/emotion. I'm sure the T was warranted. But when you let it get personal, things can get out of hand. Always say to yourself, "it's just another foul." Stay calm. Report. Then go administer free throws while your partners handle the admin and aftermath. Good to pre-game this.

Rich Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:36pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 975322)
Should be. Nothing excuses that.

You're right. Nothing excuses this. I've deleted the irrelevant part of your post.

VaTerp Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:43pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 975322)
Should be. Nothing excuses that. One of his players on the bench behind him puts his arms over his head in the last few frames, as if to say, "suddenly, our season will never be the same."

In the spirit of lessons learned, however, the calling official did not help things. He appeared to be issuing the technical with extreme anger/emotion. I'm sure the T was warranted. But when you let it get personal, things can get out of hand. Always say to yourself, "it's just another foul." Stay calm. Report. Then go administer free throws while your partners handle the admin and aftermath. Good to pre-game this.

I don't know how you can see "extreme anger/emotion" from this video. And regardless its almost an insult to suggest that he "didn't help things" or acted in any manner whatsoever that led to this coach's actions.

And I see the "it's just another foul call" jargon a lot around here. I disagree. It's not just another call. Doesnt mean you get emotional or make a big deal out of it but its not the same as a common foul or a violation and I don't think we should lie and say it is.

PAlbc Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:47pm

Figured this would make it here. Unfortunately this is my school. You are right that nothing excuses the coach's actions. His current status is "indefinite suspension", but that will most likely be upgraded to "dismissed" in short order.

That being said the angle of the videos (and I've seen some from the other direction) makes a huge difference in how much contact there seems to be. Even the opposing fans (who were chanting "coach is a scumbag" immediately after) even said the official should get an Oscar.

Doesn't matter what fouls happened or even if contact happened. Just the gesture of the "headbutt" should be a dismissal let alone if it connected.

Rich Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:48pm

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Originally Posted by PAlbc (Post 975336)
said the official should get an Oscar.

If he sold the crap out of it I only have one thing to say:

Good for him.

SC Official Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 975322)
Should be. Nothing excuses that. One of his players on the bench behind him puts his arms over his head in the last few frames, as if to say, "suddenly, our season will never be the same."

In the spirit of lessons learned, however, the calling official did not help things. He appeared to be issuing the technical with extreme anger/emotion. I'm sure the T was warranted. But when you let it get personal, things can get out of hand. Always say to yourself, "it's just another foul." Stay calm. Report. Then go administer free throws while your partners handle the admin and aftermath. Good to pre-game this.

How the hell can you derive this from this video alone?

And why does it matter? I'm sorry but we are not robots. If I whack a coach there will probably be some personality and emotion with the call.

Technical fouls are "just another foul"? Preposterous.

Rich Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:57pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 975341)
How the hell can you derive this from this video alone?

And why does it matter? I'm sorry but we are not robots. If I whack a coach there will probably be some personality and emotion with the call.

Technical fouls are "just another foul"? Preposterous.

I chalk that phrase up as another example of ludicrous camp speak. A T is not just like another foul no matter how many times someone tries to say that.

bballref3966 Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:12am

I know NFHS purists frown upon showing any inkling of personality with our calls, but I really don't care. NBA and college officials almost always call Ts with emphasis. Don't understand why it's seen as taboo in high school.

AremRed Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:21am

Is it just me or does the official appear to make the technical foul signal twice?

Refhoop Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:47am

Wow!
Reminds me to be professional at all times, especially when addressing the coaches, fans or players... cause when the game is on the line or they don't like a call; they can and will turn on us like mange dogs.
What an disgrace!

JRutledge Wed Jan 06, 2016 01:55am

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Originally Posted by bballref3966 (Post 975345)
I know NFHS purists frown upon showing any inkling of personality with our calls, but I really don't care. NBA and college officials almost always call Ts with emphasis. Don't understand why it's seen as taboo in high school.

I have been told at college camps to call a T just like it is any other foul. I think that is more what you hear people in your area or camps say. I do not get the impression that is any more than a person position that individuals take like they do with many other things. What I do at the college level is almost identical to what I do at the high school level. I guys I work for that assign college are some of the same people I work or worked high school for. The biggest difference is the shirt, but that is about it.

Peace

JRutledge Wed Jan 06, 2016 02:02am

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Here is the video slowed down. The coach needs to be fired.

Peace

JetMetFan Wed Jan 06, 2016 02:19am

Here's another view of the incident. The play leading up to it begins at 1:33:29 on the 2nd video on the page. The first video is a condensed version.

http://livestream.com/accounts/1274087/events/4613089

(obviously I'm out of practice with embedding...)


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