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Old Tue Jan 05, 2016, 10:53pm
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Coach appears to headbutt official

Found video on Twitter from PA game down near Philly.
Tough to tell from the video but the coach "pumps" his head and chest towards the official who appears to T him up before that.
Not 100% sure if he makes contact, but the official goes down quick!

https://youtu.be/4lHpCW2lhhM



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Old Tue Jan 05, 2016, 10:59pm
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I'm going to assume the coach is already fired and charges will be coming soon?
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Old Tue Jan 05, 2016, 11:13pm
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I'm going to assume the coach is already fired and charges will be coming soon?
Should be. Nothing excuses that. One of his players on the bench behind him puts his arms over his head in the last few frames, as if to say, "suddenly, our season will never be the same."

In the spirit of lessons learned, however, the calling official did not help things. He appeared to be issuing the technical with extreme anger/emotion. I'm sure the T was warranted. But when you let it get personal, things can get out of hand. Always say to yourself, "it's just another foul." Stay calm. Report. Then go administer free throws while your partners handle the admin and aftermath. Good to pre-game this.
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Old Tue Jan 05, 2016, 11:36pm
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Should be. Nothing excuses that.
You're right. Nothing excuses this. I've deleted the irrelevant part of your post.
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Old Tue Jan 05, 2016, 11:43pm
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Should be. Nothing excuses that. One of his players on the bench behind him puts his arms over his head in the last few frames, as if to say, "suddenly, our season will never be the same."

In the spirit of lessons learned, however, the calling official did not help things. He appeared to be issuing the technical with extreme anger/emotion. I'm sure the T was warranted. But when you let it get personal, things can get out of hand. Always say to yourself, "it's just another foul." Stay calm. Report. Then go administer free throws while your partners handle the admin and aftermath. Good to pre-game this.
I don't know how you can see "extreme anger/emotion" from this video. And regardless its almost an insult to suggest that he "didn't help things" or acted in any manner whatsoever that led to this coach's actions.

And I see the "it's just another foul call" jargon a lot around here. I disagree. It's not just another call. Doesnt mean you get emotional or make a big deal out of it but its not the same as a common foul or a violation and I don't think we should lie and say it is.
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Old Tue Jan 05, 2016, 11:47pm
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Figured this would make it here. Unfortunately this is my school. You are right that nothing excuses the coach's actions. His current status is "indefinite suspension", but that will most likely be upgraded to "dismissed" in short order.

That being said the angle of the videos (and I've seen some from the other direction) makes a huge difference in how much contact there seems to be. Even the opposing fans (who were chanting "coach is a scumbag" immediately after) even said the official should get an Oscar.

Doesn't matter what fouls happened or even if contact happened. Just the gesture of the "headbutt" should be a dismissal let alone if it connected.
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Old Tue Jan 05, 2016, 11:48pm
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said the official should get an Oscar.
If he sold the crap out of it I only have one thing to say:

Good for him.
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Old Tue Jan 05, 2016, 11:53pm
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Should be. Nothing excuses that. One of his players on the bench behind him puts his arms over his head in the last few frames, as if to say, "suddenly, our season will never be the same."

In the spirit of lessons learned, however, the calling official did not help things. He appeared to be issuing the technical with extreme anger/emotion. I'm sure the T was warranted. But when you let it get personal, things can get out of hand. Always say to yourself, "it's just another foul." Stay calm. Report. Then go administer free throws while your partners handle the admin and aftermath. Good to pre-game this.
How the hell can you derive this from this video alone?

And why does it matter? I'm sorry but we are not robots. If I whack a coach there will probably be some personality and emotion with the call.

Technical fouls are "just another foul"? Preposterous.
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Old Tue Jan 05, 2016, 11:57pm
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How the hell can you derive this from this video alone?

And why does it matter? I'm sorry but we are not robots. If I whack a coach there will probably be some personality and emotion with the call.

Technical fouls are "just another foul"? Preposterous.
I chalk that phrase up as another example of ludicrous camp speak. A T is not just like another foul no matter how many times someone tries to say that.
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Old Wed Jan 06, 2016, 12:12am
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I know NFHS purists frown upon showing any inkling of personality with our calls, but I really don't care. NBA and college officials almost always call Ts with emphasis. Don't understand why it's seen as taboo in high school.
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Old Wed Jan 06, 2016, 12:21am
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Is it just me or does the official appear to make the technical foul signal twice?
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Old Wed Jan 06, 2016, 12:47am
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Wow!
Reminds me to be professional at all times, especially when addressing the coaches, fans or players... cause when the game is on the line or they don't like a call; they can and will turn on us like mange dogs.
What an disgrace!
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I know NFHS purists frown upon showing any inkling of personality with our calls, but I really don't care. NBA and college officials almost always call Ts with emphasis. Don't understand why it's seen as taboo in high school.
I have been told at college camps to call a T just like it is any other foul. I think that is more what you hear people in your area or camps say. I do not get the impression that is any more than a person position that individuals take like they do with many other things. What I do at the college level is almost identical to what I do at the high school level. I guys I work for that assign college are some of the same people I work or worked high school for. The biggest difference is the shirt, but that is about it.

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Old Wed Jan 06, 2016, 02:02am
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Here is the video slowed down. The coach needs to be fired.

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Old Wed Jan 06, 2016, 02:19am
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Here's another view of the incident. The play leading up to it begins at 1:33:29 on the 2nd video on the page. The first video is a condensed version.

http://livestream.com/accounts/1274087/events/4613089

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