double foul during shot

[derwil]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

From game last night (as parent):

Double foul called (seemed to me like a poor choice to call a double foul, but that's beside the point) about the same time a shot is taken. I believe that the referee ruled the foul occurred before the shot was taken, and the team shooting kept the ball (I don't think the PA was flipped). (The coach was arguing the ball was in flight when the whistle blew, which is obviously not the test . . . this ref often had a slow whistle, sometimes very slow.)

If the double foul had occurred while the ball was in flight, does the basket count? If not, does it go to AP since no team control?

One follow up point:

If the double foul happens when the ball is in the air and the shot does NOT go in, the resumption of play goes to the arrow.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by derwil

One follow up point:

If the double foul happens when the ball is in the air and the shot does NOT go in, the resumption of play goes to the arrow.

Double fouls go to the POI. An AP throw in MAY be the POI.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Double fouls go to the POI. An AP throw in MAY be the POI.

Given the parameters of his post, the POI would always be AP.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Adam

Given the parameters of his post, the POI would always be AP.

Absolutely. The thing with the OP to remember is that there can be 3 DIFFERENT outcomes.

1) DF while shooter STILL has the ball
2) DF while ball is in the air and shot is made
3) DF while ball is in the air and shot is missed

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

Absolutely. The thing with the OP to remember is that there can be 3 DIFFERENT outcomes.

1) DF while shooter STILL has the ball

Assuming by "shooter" you mean that the try has started, then there is no "separate" outcome for this -- it's going to fall into one of the other two categories.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Assuming by "shooter" you mean that the try has started, then there is no "separate" outcome for this -- it's going to fall into one of the other two categories.

Not sure about that. Continuous motion only applies when there is a foul by the defense. A double foul does not meet that criteria, hence the need for this first of three scenarios.

That's my take anyway.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ODog

Not sure about that. Continuous motion only applies when there is a foul by the defense. A double foul does not meet that criteria, hence the need for this first of three scenarios.

That's my take anyway.

See post #3.

The examples I could find quickly in the case book either have the try released or no try started. None with a try started but the ball not released.

I do recognize the conflict and the opposing point of view.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Assuming by "shooter" you mean that the try has started, then there is no "separate" outcome for this -- it's going to fall into one of the other two categories.

I totally disagree. There is no continuous motion for a double foul.

[Adam]

Not sure how the rule is worded, but a double foul would include a "foul by the defense." What makes continuous motion inapplicable?

Thinking further: would it be the fact that a foul by a player on the team in control causes the ball to immediately become dead?