Swinging elbow contact (video)

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Rich

I agree with those who say a held ball is a cop out.

I run into a lot of officials who think a quick held ball is a tool to prevent rough play. I think it's a tool to prevent having to officiate.

I'll agree it's a cop out, but in my mind I'm ranking it like this:

1) Violation - good call
2) jump ball - bleh
3) no call - terrible.

I'm in no way advocating quick held ball calls to prevent rough play. I'm trying to point out the rough play is already occurring in this play. There's nothing to prevent, but there is something to stop.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Dad

I'll agree it's a cop out, but in my mind I'm ranking it like this:

1) Violation - good call
2) jump ball - bleh
3) no call - terrible.

I'm in no way advocating quick held ball calls to prevent rough play. I'm trying to point out the rough play is already occurring in this play. There's nothing to prevent, but there is something to stop.

2, and 3 didn't happen here. There wasn't a no call, could there have been a whistle for a violation, yes,but the official didn't get that. He did give a technical when an intentional foul was more correct. What he didn't do was make something up like a held ball, which frankly speaks volumes about you. There really isn't rough play going on until she connects with the elbow, followed by a whistle.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by OKREF

2, and 3 didn't happen here. There wasn't a no call, could there have been a whistle for a violation, yes,but the official didn't get that. He did give a technical when an intentional foul was more correct. What he didn't do was make something up like a held ball, which frankly speaks volumes about you. There really isn't rough play going on until she connects with the elbow, followed by a whistle.

There really isn't or there isn't?
There wasn't a no call but something could've been called?
He gave a technical when he should have given an intentional foul... more correct, or correct because one isn't?
I wasn't there to make a "made up" call. I did watch a bad video of a play and make a decision about it.

Could I be wrong? Sure, it's looked like it thus far. Does it speak volumes about me?

This post is typical quality for you. If you're going to make statements at least pick a side and back things up with rules/facts. Regurgitated opinions is what I expect from bad coaches.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

No way that can be a held ball. I see three cleanup fouls that could have been called which probably (except for the last one) prevent the elbow.

I can't see cleanup fouls here. Green #21 came out swinging (her body, at least) from the moment she grabbed the rebound. If there was a whistle against either player in White closest to the BH/D, that's not fair to either of them.

Originally Posted by Dad

I'll agree it's a cop out, but in my mind I'm ranking it like this:

1) Violation - good call
2) jump ball - bleh
3) no call - terrible.

I'm in no way advocating quick held ball calls to prevent rough play. I'm trying to point out the rough play is already occurring in this play. There's nothing to prevent, but there is something to stop.

If there's something to stop then stop it according to what happened. Your 2nd and 3rd options shouldn't even be on the menu. Green #21 was swinging her elbows. That's a violation. If that isn't called, get the foul - IF or FF - once contact takes place.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I can't see cleanup fouls here. Green #21 came out swinging (her body, at least) from the moment she grabbed the rebound. If there was a whistle against either player in White closest to the BH/D, that's not fair to either of them.




If there's something to stop then stop it according to what happened. Your 2nd and 3rd options shouldn't even be on the menu. Green #21 was swinging her elbows. That's a violation. If that isn't called, get the foul - IF or FF - once contact takes place.