Held ball during AP throw in

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I'm not saying defense should get the ball every time. I'm saying when a held ball occurs, we should go to the arrow for next possession. As in the OP, the ball would go to defense. I am simply saying held ball should be a held ball, regardless of how ball was coming into play


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Again, this is a very rare situation in the first place. And if it happens the defense did not really make the best play, because if they did, they would have pulled the ball away from the thrower. And they did not get an intentional foul or even technical by not touching the thrower on the other side of the line or dislodging the ball. So much could have gone wrong for the defense here and they just caused us to blow the whistle.

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[deecee]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I'm not saying defense should get the ball every time. I'm saying when a held ball occurs, we should go to the arrow for next possession. As in the OP, the ball would go to defense. I am simply saying held ball should be a held ball, regardless of how ball was coming into play


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Why is this so tough to accept? An AP throw-in ENDS when ONLY 2 scenarios are met. If neither scenario is met then the AP throw-in has not concluded therefore the arrow doesn't change.

What does fair and rules have to do with anything?

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

Why is this so tough to accept? An AP throw-in ENDS when ONLY 2 scenarios are met. If neither scenario is met then the AP throw-in has not concluded therefore the arrow doesn't change.



What does fair and rules have to do with anything?

I accept it just fine. My point is that the tie up by the defense, imo, should end the throw in. The ball is being touched in bounds, legally. Again, imo, why is it at that point any different from any other held ball!!!! My point that it's not fair has been the focus of too much. I concede that fairness isn't an issue for the rules of this situation but the fact remains that the ball is being possessed by both teams over the playing surface i.e. INBOUNDS. I get the rule but as I have stated, I disagree with it. Doesn't mean I don't understand it. I know it rarely happens but I think it is a poorly written rule. I just don't agree the AP should supersede so much. But maybe I'm just totally missing the point.


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[deecee]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I accept it just fine. My point is that the tie up by the defense, imo, should end the throw in. The ball is being touched in bounds, legally. Again, imo, why is it at that point any different from any other held ball!!!! My point that it's not fair has been the focus of too much. I concede that fairness isn't an issue for the rules of this situation but the fact remains that the ball is being possessed by both teams over the playing surface i.e. INBOUNDS. I get the rule but as I have stated, I disagree with it. Doesn't mean I don't understand it. I know it rarely happens but I think it is a poorly written rule. I just don't agree the AP should supersede so much. But maybe I'm just totally missing the point.


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Wrong. The throw in ends when the "passed" ball is legally touched in bounds or a violation by the team doing the throw in.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

Wrong. The throw in ends when the "passed" ball is legally touched in bounds or a violation by the team doing the throw in.

That actually will help me with all this (minor as it is). So, thank you for clarifying. Missed the one word that really matters as I often do.

While I still feel the held ball should be a held ball, I see now the intent of the rule as currently written. Thanks


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[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I'm not saying defense should get the ball every time. I'm saying when a held ball occurs, we should go to the arrow for next possession. As in the OP, the ball would go to defense. I am simply saying held ball should be a held ball, regardless of how ball was coming into play


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It is a held ball, and we are going to the arrow. The arrow simply doesn't change in this situation, because the throw in never legally ended, which means the arrow changes.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I'm not saying defense should get the ball every time. I'm saying when a held ball occurs, we should go to the arrow for next possession.

It already does. That is the point. It keeps going to the arrow, which remains with the throwing team until the throwin is released such that it touches a player inbounds (or the throwing team violates).

And it can't change until that time because there might be a foul (far more likely than repeat held balls) and they don't want a team to lose the arrow if they're fouled (or if they foul) before the throwin is complete.

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

As in the OP, the ball would go to defense. I am simply saying held ball should be a held ball, regardless of how ball was coming into play


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[BlueDevilRef]

Cameron and OkRef, thanks. All this convo has clarified the situation for me. Now, here's to it not happening any in my games!


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