Throw-in question

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The jump circle "spaces" don't have a width.

I was ready to dispute this, but found that Camron Rust is correct. I cannot find any NFHS reference, in either the rulebook, or the casebook, stating that the spaces around the jump ball circle are three feet wide.

The only reference that I could find regarding the width of these spaces is in the IAABO mechanics manual, in diagram form, in the diagram labeled Court As The Official Views It.



I'm pretty good in regard to basketball rules, so why was I so quick to dispute Camron Rust? Has this rule changed over the past thirty-five years, or have I (and Nevadaref, a rules guru if there ever was one) been the victim of another basketball rule myth?

just another ref: What was the answer on the answer sheet, and did it include a reference, or a citation?

Want to chime in on this Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I have false for the 2nd one.

The jump circle "spaces" don't have a width. Players within 3 feet of the circle can be at any interval they wish as long as one is not behind the other.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I was ready to dispute this, but found that Camron Rust is correct. I cannot find any NFHS reference, in either the rulebook, or the casebook, stating that the spaces around the jump ball circle are three feet wide.

The only reference that I could find regarding the width of these spaces is in the IAABO mechanics manual, in diagram form, in the diagram labeled Court As The Official Views It.



I'm pretty good in regard to basketball rules, so why was I so quick to dispute Camron Rust? Has this rule changed over the past thirty-five years, or have I (and Nevadaref, a rules guru if there ever was one) been the victim of another basketball rule myth?

just another ref: What was the answer on the answer sheet, and did it include a reference, or a citation?

Want to chime in on this Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

There has never (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley), as far I back as my rules books go, a dimension stated in the rules. What one will find is references to unmarked Lane Spaces along the FT Lane (Yes, young ones, in The Ancient Days some of the FT Lane Spaces were unmarked) and FT Circle.

I do not remember at any time Spaces around the Center Circle and the FT Circles (note: Jump Balls for Held Balls during The Ancient Days) dimensions given for these spaces.

Camron is correct, and I am sure Nevada or Jeff or Tony will confirm.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I do not remember at any time Spaces around the Center Circle and the FT Circles ...

So? You can't even remember what you had for breakfast this mourning.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So? You can't even remember what you had for breakfast this mourning.

I am in mourning because both the YSU Penguins and The OSU Buckeyes football teams lost yesterday on tie-breaking FGs with no time left on the clock, .

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I was ready to dispute this, but found that Camron Rust is correct. I cannot find any NFHS reference, in either the rulebook, or the casebook, stating that the spaces around the jump ball circle are three feet wide.

The only reference that I could find regarding the width of these spaces is in the IAABO mechanics manual, in diagram form, in the diagram labeled Court As The Official Views It.



I'm pretty good in regard to basketball rules, so why was I so quick to dispute Camron Rust? Has this rule changed over the past thirty-five years, or have I (and Nevadaref, a rules guru if there ever was one) been the victim of another basketball rule myth?

just another ref: What was the answer on the answer sheet, and did it include a reference, or a citation?

Want to chime in on this Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

I'll consult some of my past sources, but I believe that the spaces are intended to be close to three feet wide, but can't by rule because they are curved and thus shorter at the circle than 36 inches away from it.
In other words, they couldn't put the exact width in the book without using 2Pi r.
It's just a geometry thing.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'll consult some of my past sources, but I believe that the spaces are intended to be close to three feet wide, but can't by rule because they are curved and thus shorter at the circle than 36 inches away from it.
In other words, they couldn't put the exact width in the book without using 2Pi r.
It's just a geometry thing.

Any given space for a Non-Jumper is three feet deep, which means that we can think of an imaginary circle which has the same Center as the Center Circle but has a radius of nine feet.

MTD, Sr.

[egj13]

Lets address the other topic getting lost in this post...does this action (wide stance) constitute "screening"?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by egj13

Lets address the other topic getting lost in this post...does this action (wide stance) constitute "screening"?

no it isn't. i only mentioned it as an example of what a proper stance looks like. The rules don't expressly provide an exact width for non jumper spaces around the restraining circle. I don't think it is 6 feet and i don't think it is 12 inches. I think based on other rules in the book, screening, rebounding, verticality it's approximately the width of the players normal stance. that sounds reasonable to me when i consider the book as a whole.

This is all theory. i've never seen it happen in a game. i just made a comment that i don't think the spaces widths are unlimited.