Throw-in question

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So? You can't even remember what you had for breakfast this mourning.

I am in mourning because both the YSU Penguins and The OSU Buckeyes football teams lost yesterday on tie-breaking FGs with no time left on the clock, .

MTD, Sr.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sounds logical, but, citation please.

screening definition contains stance shoulder width language.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

screening definition contains stance shoulder width language.

4-40: A screen is legal action by a player who, without causing contact, delays or prevents an opponent from reaching a desired position. To establish a legal screening position: The screener must stay within his/her vertical plane with a stance approximately shoulder width apart.

Nice citation BigCat.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I would answer true for both questions in post #8.

Nevadaref: I'm still trying to figure out why we both answered true for the jump ball circle three foot width space question?

Any insight?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigCat

screening definition contains stance shoulder width language.

It does, but what does that have to do with how a player stands for the jump ball?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Officials observing the court during the pre-game notice that the chairs used for team benches are placed in front of the existing permanent bleachers and that there is only 3 feet of open space in front of the empty chairs. The officials rule that this bench area is legal for the game.

True or False


Spaces for non-jumpers and free throw lane spaces along the free throw lane are the same width and depth.

True or False

The answer key which he sent said true for both, but I say false for both.

As for the first, 1-2-1 says 3 feet of unobstructed space. The question says there are 3 feet of space in front of the empty chairs. Where do the players put their feet? This is a classic example of something which will never be significant anywhere other than on the test.

As for the second, as pointed out by others, the spaces for non-jumpers have no width, and even if they did, if the (imaginary) lines defining the spaces emanate from a circle the result would be a trapezoidal effect, so any way you slice it, they are not the same as free throw spaces.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It does, but what does that have to do with how a player stands for the jump ball?

If a player is standing with his feet way wide, beyond shoulder width, to simply take up more space on the circle AND an opponent wants part of the space i will make the player take a normal stance. it is an example of what i consider to be the "spot" that every player is entitled to....

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BigCat

If a player is standing with his feet way wide, beyond shoulder width, to simply take up more space on the circle AND an opponent wants part of the space i will make the player take a normal stance. it is an example of what i consider to be the "spot" that every player is entitled to....

Big Cat:

And you would be wrong. You would be attempting to apply a rule that does not exist.

MTD, Sr.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Big Cat:

And you would be wrong. You would be attempting to apply a rule that does not exist.

MTD, Sr.

I dont think i'm wrong. IF a player tries to take up a ton of room by spreading his legs out and another player wants part of the space i will make him take normal stance. we have example in screen rule about what proper stance looks like. also, verticality, rebounding defintions. i think my interpretation is reasonable.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I dont think i'm wrong. IF a player tries to take up a ton of room by spreading his legs out and another player wants part of the space i will make him take normal stance. we have example in screen rule about what proper stance looks like. also, verticality, rebounding defintions. i think my interpretation is reasonable.

Big Cat:

You are trying to apply the Screening Rule to a non-screening situation. Stop trying to apply a rule that does NOT exist.

MTD, Sr.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Big Cat:

You are trying to apply the Screening Rule to a non-screening situation. Stop trying to apply a rule that does NOT exist.

MTD, Sr.

I'm reading the rules as a whole. Screening, verticality, rebounding....when you read them as a whole you get a picture of what a legal stance is or isnt. Again, if a player spreads his legs way wide just to take up more space and another player wants part of it then i will make the player adjust.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It does, but what does that have to do with how a player stands for the jump ball?

Because screening is defined as action by a player who, without causing contact, delays, or prevents an opponent from reaching a desired position, like a desired position on the jump ball circle.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Big Cat:

You are trying to apply the Screening Rule to a non-screening situation. Stop trying to apply a rule that does NOT exist.

MTD, Sr.

Mark, let me ask you this. Suppose two team B players are in adjacent positions around the circle. we know if team A desires in between they are entitled to it. How much room would you give A to get between the B players. 6 inches...6 feet? i bet youd tell the B players to separate enough so that the A player could get in with a normal stance, shoulder width etc...

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I'm reading the rules as a whole. Screening, verticality, rebounding....when you read them as a whole you get a picture of what a legal stance is or isnt. Again, if a player spreads his legs way wide just to take up more space and another player wants part of it then i will make the player adjust.

Big Cat:

What part of the rules do you not understand? This is not a screening situation. You canNOT apply the screening rule to a non-screening situation. I know I am a bald old geezer but you need to listen when this bald old geezer speaks.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Mark, let me ask you this. Suppose two team B players are in adjacent positions around the circle. we know if team A desires in between they are entitled to it. How much room would you give A to get between the B players. 6 inches...6 feet? i bet youd tell the B players to separate enough so that the A player could get in with a normal stance, shoulder width etc...

Big Cat:

Yes. But what is your point with regard to the original situation that we are discussing?

MTD, Sr.