Throw-in question

[BigCat]

lets have another one of the 11 if you have time

[bwburke94]

I am not an official. As with all similar questions, I am assuming "true or false" to mean "true or false: the administering official is correct."

The answer is FALSE, because for it to be TRUE, then the rationale of "the throw-in has not ended" must be the correct reason a 3-point basket is not scored.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BigCat

lets have another one of the 11 if you have time

Officials observing the court during the pre-game notice that the chairs used for team benches are placed in front of the existing permanent bleachers and that there is only 3 feet of open space in front of the empty chairs. The officials rule that this bench area is legal for the game.

True or False


Spaces for non-jumpers and free throw lane spaces along the free throw lane are the same width and depth.

True or False

[Nevadaref]

I would answer true for both questions in post #8.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Officials observing the court during the pre-game notice that the chairs used for team benches are placed in front of the existing permanent bleachers and that there is only 3 feet of open space in front of the empty chairs. The officials rule that this bench area is legal for the game.

True or False


Spaces for non-jumpers and free throw lane spaces along the free throw lane are the same width and depth.

True or False

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I would answer true for both questions in post #8.

I have false for the 2nd one.

The jump circle "spaces" don't have a width. Players within 3 feet of the circle can be at any interval they wish as long as one is not behind the other.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The jump circle "spaces" don't have a width.

I was ready to dispute this, but found that Camron Rust is correct. I cannot find any NFHS reference, in either the rulebook, or the casebook, stating that the spaces around the jump ball circle are three feet wide.

The only reference that I could find regarding the width of these spaces is in the IAABO mechanics manual, in diagram form, in the diagram labeled Court As The Official Views It.



I'm pretty good in regard to basketball rules, so why was I so quick to dispute Camron Rust? Has this rule changed over the past thirty-five years, or have I (and Nevadaref, a rules guru if there ever was one) been the victim of another basketball rule myth?

just another ref: What was the answer on the answer sheet, and did it include a reference, or a citation?

Want to chime in on this Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I have false for the 2nd one.

The jump circle "spaces" don't have a width. Players within 3 feet of the circle can be at any interval they wish as long as one is not behind the other.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I was ready to dispute this, but found that Camron Rust is correct. I cannot find any NFHS reference, in either the rulebook, or the casebook, stating that the spaces around the jump ball circle are three feet wide.

The only reference that I could find regarding the width of these spaces is in the IAABO mechanics manual, in diagram form, in the diagram labeled Court As The Official Views It.



I'm pretty good in regard to basketball rules, so why was I so quick to dispute Camron Rust? Has this rule changed over the past thirty-five years, or have I (and Nevadaref, a rules guru if there ever was one) been the victim of another basketball rule myth?

just another ref: What was the answer on the answer sheet, and did it include a reference, or a citation?

Want to chime in on this Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

There has never (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley), as far I back as my rules books go, a dimension stated in the rules. What one will find is references to unmarked Lane Spaces along the FT Lane (Yes, young ones, in The Ancient Days some of the FT Lane Spaces were unmarked) and FT Circle.

I do not remember at any time Spaces around the Center Circle and the FT Circles (note: Jump Balls for Held Balls during The Ancient Days) dimensions given for these spaces.

Camron is correct, and I am sure Nevada or Jeff or Tony will confirm.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I do not remember at any time Spaces around the Center Circle and the FT Circles ...

So? You can't even remember what you had for breakfast this mourning.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I was ready to dispute this, but found that Camron Rust is correct. I cannot find any NFHS reference, in either the rulebook, or the casebook, stating that the spaces around the jump ball circle are three feet wide.

The only reference that I could find regarding the width of these spaces is in the IAABO mechanics manual, in diagram form, in the diagram labeled Court As The Official Views It.



I'm pretty good in regard to basketball rules, so why was I so quick to dispute Camron Rust? Has this rule changed over the past thirty-five years, or have I (and Nevadaref, a rules guru if there ever was one) been the victim of another basketball rule myth?

just another ref: What was the answer on the answer sheet, and did it include a reference, or a citation?

Want to chime in on this Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

I'll consult some of my past sources, but I believe that the spaces are intended to be close to three feet wide, but can't by rule because they are curved and thus shorter at the circle than 36 inches away from it.
In other words, they couldn't put the exact width in the book without using 2Pi r.
It's just a geometry thing.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'll consult some of my past sources, but I believe that the spaces are intended to be close to three feet wide, but can't by rule because they are curved and thus shorter at the circle than 36 inches away from it.
In other words, they couldn't put the exact width in the book without using 2Pi r.
It's just a geometry thing.

Any given space for a Non-Jumper is three feet deep, which means that we can think of an imaginary circle which has the same Center as the Center Circle but has a radius of nine feet.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I would answer true for both questions in post #8.

Nevadaref: I'm still trying to figure out why we both answered true for the jump ball circle three foot width space question?

Any insight?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Officials observing the court during the pre-game notice that the chairs used for team benches are placed in front of the existing permanent bleachers and that there is only 3 feet of open space in front of the empty chairs. The officials rule that this bench area is legal for the game.

True or False


Spaces for non-jumpers and free throw lane spaces along the free throw lane are the same width and depth.

True or False

True for the first one. 3 feet is supposed to be the minimum. false for the second one for reasons Cameron stated. As far as width for non jumpers, I do believe non jumpers have to stay within their frame…stay in their spot--cant spread their legs out wide to take up more room. They are entitled to a "spot" on floor not multiple spots.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I do believe non jumpers have to stay within their frame … can't spread their legs out wide to take up more room.

Sounds logical, but, citation please.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sounds logical, but, citation please.

screening definition contains stance shoulder width language.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

screening definition contains stance shoulder width language.

4-40: A screen is legal action by a player who, without causing contact, delays or prevents an opponent from reaching a desired position. To establish a legal screening position: The screener must stay within his/her vertical plane with a stance approximately shoulder width apart.

Nice citation BigCat.