In-bound pass that goes into the basket

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

4-19-7 ... a team control foul is…(including a member of the throw in team from the start of the throw in until PC is obtained inbounds)...

Nice citation. So while that hot potato ball is pin balling around (how about that for a mixed metaphor) a team control foul can be charged until player control is established?

Originally Posted by BigCat

the 2014/15 poe mentions that its ONLY purpose is to deal with fouls by throw in team.

So for purposes other than a team control foul, team control ended when the throw in ended, that is, when the ball was touched by the player at the free throw line?

Two questions marks. Am I on the right track.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Nice citation. So while that hot potato ball is pin balling around (how about that for a mixed metaphor) a team control foul can be charged until player control is established?



So for purposes other than a team control foul, team control ended when the throw in ended, that is, when the ball was touched by the player at the free throw line?

Two questions marks. Am I on the right track.

Yes.

You need to decide whether they *really* mean "only" in the POE, or whether "primarily" is correct -- with all the examples in the current POE certainly being examples where "no TC" is correct and maybe the play in this thread being an example where "TC" is correct.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Nice citation. So while that hot potato ball is pin balling around (how about that for a mixed metaphor) a team control foul can be charged until player control is established?



So for purposes other than a team control foul, team control ended when the throw in ended, that is, when the ball was touched by the player at the free throw line?

Two questions marks. Am I on the right track.

Not really.....there are effectively two types of team control.

One starts with the throwin....lets call it partial team control. One starts when player control is established inbounds....lets call it full team control.

"Partial TC" only affects fouls. "Full TC" affects everything else. Both end the same way....when the other team gains control, when the ball becomes dead, on a try, etc....

I know I made up some terms here but that is really what is needed to clarify this whole mess. Maybe there are some better words....any ideas?

[Nevadaref]

I agree that the NFHS has written that team control from the beginning of a throw-in until an inbounds player controls the ball is only for the purpose of a team control foul, but how is an official from the past five years to know that?

The NFHS is failing to correctly inform numerous new officials, coaches, and players of the rule by failing to update the rules book.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I agree that the NFHS has written that team control from the beginning of a throw-in until an inbounds player controls the ball is only for the purpose of a team control foul, but how is an official from the past five years to know that?

The NFHS is failing to correctly inform numerous new officials, coaches, and players of the rule by failing to update the rules book.

It is a problem. Same thing with the elbow rule. an official won't find anything about an "elbow in motion/movement or stationary…" in the rule or case book. That has been 3 or so years. We'll probably be saying the same thing in a few years about crossing the FT line before the Ft hits rim etc. we'll see if it makes it into the book.

All rules should be in rule book or case book. NCAA books are much better imo.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

All rules should be in rule book or case book.

Agree. Points of Emphasis are here today, and gone tomorrow.

The NFHS has overly depended on Points of Emphasis, instead of making permanent changes in the rulebook, and/or casebook, over the past few years.