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BigT Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:53pm

In-bound pass that goes into the basket
 
Time is running out in the 4th quarter and Team B has just tied up the score at 99 a piece. A4 throws a hail mary and A5 tries to catch it on his own free throw line and it deflects straight up and comes down in Teams A basket. Does it count? Any rule reference would be appreciated.

When A5 tries to catch it and simply touches the ball there is 5 seconds left and when it goes through there is still 2 seconds left. Is this a legal goal/attempt?

I will look up 4-42-5. SC Official.

SC Official Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by BigT (Post 970028)
Time is running out in the 4th quarter and Team B has just tied up the score at 99 a piece. A4 throws a hail mary and A5 tries to catch it on his own free throw line and it deflects straight up and comes down in Teams A basket. Does it count? Any rule reference would be appreciated.

The title of this thread is erroneous. When does the throw-in end? See 4-42-5.

And more information is needed to answer your question. When did time expire? It sounds like A5's deflection was not a try or tap for goal, meaning that it would not count if time expired before it passed through the net.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Nov 18, 2015 01:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigT (Post 970028)
Time is running out in the 4th quarter and Team B has just tied up the score at 99 a piece. A4 throws a hail mary and A5 tries to catch it on his own free throw line and it deflects straight up and comes down in Teams A basket. Does it count? Any rule reference would be appreciated.

When A5 tries to catch it and simply touches the ball there is 5 seconds left and when it goes through there is still 2 seconds left. Is this a legal goal/attempt?

I will look up 4-42-5. SC Official.



Score two points for Team A because a Live Ball went through its Basket before Time expired.

MTD, Sr.

bob jenkins Wed Nov 18, 2015 01:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigT (Post 970028)
Time is running out in the 4th quarter and Team B has just tied up the score at 99 a piece. A4 throws a hail mary and A5 tries to catch it on his own free throw line and it deflects straight up and comes down in Teams A basket. Does it count? Any rule reference would be appreciated.

When A5 tries to catch it and simply touches the ball there is 5 seconds left and when it goes through there is still 2 seconds left. Is this a legal goal/attempt?

I will look up 4-42-5. SC Official.

Yes.

No.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Nov 18, 2015 01:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 970045)
Yes.

No.


Bob:

Thanks for giving a more accurate answer and concise answer.

MTD, Sr.

BigT Wed Nov 18, 2015 02:13pm

Basically as long as an inbound pass is know by the officials to have been touched it then can enter the basket and count. As long as it doesnt involve something like basket interference.

I want to thank those who posted.

SC Official Wed Nov 18, 2015 02:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigT (Post 970052)
Basically as long as an inbound pass is know by the officials to have been touched it then can enter the basket and count. As long as it doesnt involve something like basket interference.

I want to thank those who posted.

Yes. Once the throw-in pass is touched inbounds, the throw-in is over.

Also, make sure you understand the difference between a try/tap and any live ball entering the basket. It matters with respect to the expiration of time.

Raymond Wed Nov 18, 2015 02:51pm

And please use "throw-in" instead of "inbounds pass".

ODog Thu Nov 19, 2015 04:05pm

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Originally Posted by BigT (Post 970052)
Basically as long as an inbound pass is know by the officials to have been LEGALLY touched it then can enter the basket and count. As long as it doesnt involve something like basket interference.

Big T, generally yes, but note the correction above.

Rob1968 Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:07am

Case Book 5.2.1 SITUATION D (2013-14) has the wording mentioned by the most recent posts.

BillyMac Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:29pm

Let's Go To The Videotape ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 970286)
Case Book 5.2.1 SITUATION D (2013-14) has the wording mentioned by the most recent posts.

5.2.1 SITUATION D: Following the free throws for a technical foul, A1 makes a
throw-in from out of bounds at the division line opposite the table. The throw-in
pass is deflected at A’s free-throw line by: (a) A2; or (b) B1 and it then goes directly
through A’s basket. RULING: Score two points for Team A in both (a) and (b).
The throw-in ended when the ball was touched by an inbounds player and the live
ball subsequently passed through the basket. The fact it was not a tap or a try for
goal does not affect the scoring of two points. (4-41-4)

JRutledge Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigT (Post 970028)
When A5 tries to catch it and simply touches the ball there is 5 seconds left and when it goes through there is still 2 seconds left. Is this a legal goal/attempt?

If the touch was not a try or tap, then the basket would not count if time expired before the ball goes into the basket. Since the ball went into the basket before time expired, it does not matter how the ball got into the basket as long as an action was not illegal that caused it like a BI.

Peace

BillyMac Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:43pm

Add Another Layer To The Cake ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 970303)
If the touch was not a try or tap, then the basket would not count if time expired before the ball goes into the basket. Since the ball went into the basket before time expired, it does not matter how the ball got into the basket as long as an action was not illegal that caused it like a BI.

Also, since it was not a try, a goaltending violation could not have been called.

Nevadaref Sun Nov 22, 2015 05:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 970301)
5.2.1 SITUATION D: Following the free throws for a technical foul, A1 makes a
throw-in from out of bounds at the division line opposite the table. The throw-in
pass is deflected at A’s free-throw line by: (a) A2; or (b) B1 and it then goes directly
through A’s basket. RULING: Score two points for Team A in both (a) and (b).
The throw-in ended when the ball was touched by an inbounds player and the live
ball subsequently passed through the basket. The fact it was not a tap or a try for
goal does not affect the scoring of two points. (4-41-4)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 970308)
Also, since it was not a try, a goaltending violation could not have been called.

Ok, Smarty, if an official did mistakenly whistle for a goaltending violation under the circumstances set forth in the Case Book play, please inform us of how the game would be resumed and why.

crosscountry55 Sun Nov 22, 2015 09:25am

In-bound pass that goes into the basket
 
Good question. Inadvertent whistle, but is there team control? I vote yes because of the rule change a few years ago, so give the ball to Team A at the OOB spot closest to where the ball was when the IW occurred.

This is not the same debate as the one we frequently have in regards to the backcourt rule, where TC *inbounds* is required.

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