Very Rare Events...

[Kansas Ref]

Hey any of you observed these events to occur? ( I have not)

1) 7-5-2-a.

2) 7-5-1-a-d.

3) disallowing a FT attempt due to 10 secs having expired.

[bob jenkins]

I'm not quite sure what you are asking on the first two -- you've never used the resumption of play procedure?

I have has a 10-second FT violation.

I do agree that they are rare -- they cannot be very rare.

[Raymond]

How about medium rare?

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I do agree that they are rare -- they cannot be very rare.

*Yes, they can appropriately be called "very rare" events. I presume you are intending to imply that it is not proper grammar to add the adverb "very" to describe something that is uncommon; however, even in ''statistical analysis" there are "signficant" events (i.e., p <0.01) and "very significant events'' (i.e., p <0.001). Most of the events enumerated herein are indeed very rare.

*In my Rules book there is a mid-book insert for Referee magazine ad; it is showing a female ref holding up 2 hands with 2 fingers--ostensibly signaling to the scorer table something. If she is indicating a foul on A22, and she is NFHS level, then the wrong signal is being used,no? Or is she signaling that each team has 2 timeouts remaining?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*Yes, they can appropriately be called "very rare" events. I presume you are intending to imply that it is not proper grammar to add the adverb "very" to describe something that is uncommon; however, even in ''statistical analysis" there are "signficant" events (i.e., p <0.01) and "very significant events'' (i.e., p <0.001). Most of the events enumerated herein are indeed very rare.

*In my Rules book there is a mid-book insert for Referee magazine ad; it is showing a female ref holding up 2 hands with 2 fingers--ostensibly signaling to the scorer table something. If she is indicating a foul on A22, and she is NFHS level, then the wrong signal is being used,no? Or is she signaling that each team has 2 timeouts remaining?

1) I have no idea what's used in statistical analysis.

2) I have no idea what she is indicating, or if it's a HS game, or if it's a state that might allow two handed reporting. I agree that if it's NFHS and NFHS mechanics, then using two hand to indicate the number of a player is incorrect.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

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*In my Rules book there is a mid-book insert for Referee magazine ad; it is showing a female ref holding up 2 hands with 2 fingers--ostensibly signaling to the scorer table something. If she is indicating a foul on A22, and she is NFHS level, then the wrong signal is being used,no? Or is she signaling that each team has 2 timeouts remaining?

If you find the actual magazine she was on the cover of, it well tell you what level she works. Why are you assuming it's an NFHS game?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*In my Rules book there is a mid-book insert for Referee magazine ad; it is showing a female ref holding up 2 hands with 2 fingers--ostensibly signaling to the scorer table something. If she is indicating a foul on A22, and she is NFHS level, then the wrong signal is being used,no? Or is she signaling that each team has 2 timeouts remaining?

For one not all states use every NFHS mechanic. It is possible that the state she is in does not use NF mechanics. There are many states that do things a little different in certain areas. It is not required for the states to follow mechanics on any level.

Also without knowing the context of the picture, I have no idea if this is a foul reporting situation anyway. And we also do not know if this was even a HS game in anyway. I am sure the issue had a name of the official in question.

Peace

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

For one not all states use every NFHS mechanic. It is possible that the state she is in does not use NF mechanics. There are many states that do things a little different in certain areas. It is not required for the states to follow mechanics on any level.

Also without knowing the context of the picture, I have no idea if this is a foul reporting situation anyway. And we also do not know if this was even a HS game in anyway. I am sure the issue had a name of the official in question.

Peace

I am acquainted with that official in the picture. Her name is Megan. She is an accomplished high school official who went on successfully to NCAAw. The game that she was doing when that picture was taken was an NCAA women's game. The state in which she officiated high school basketball does not support two hand foul reporting, if that indeed was the report of a foul. It supports only NFHS mechanics with the exception of the recent "Long Switch..." thing.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by Freddy

I am acquainted with that official in the picture. Her name is Megan. She is an accomplished high school official who went on successfully to NCAAw. The game that she was doing when that picture was taken was an NCAA women's game. The state in which she officiated high school basketball does not support two hand foul reporting, if that indeed was the report of a foul. It supports only NFHS mechanics with the exception of the recent "Long Switch..." thing.

*OK, thanks for clarifying. So, NFHS signals are not relevant in that case. Wow, you guys really know this business and also the folks who make it their vocation! Never would've expected that a forum member would "out of the blue" just happen to know that random referee in the cover photo. Truly amazing.

[Freddy]

1) 7-5-2-a.
Yes, on every throw-in following a violation where I am the administering official. Happens dozens of times a game.
(I think you must mean some other rule reference, right?)

2) 7-5-1-a-d.
a: Yes, that's the ROP procedure. Maybe once every three or four years or so.
d: No, each time the few times the ROP procedure was enacted, the "behavior modification function" of our service was successful and neither team delayed lest they get the same treatment.

3) disallowing a FT attempt due to 10 secs having expired.
Not since the late 70's...but the last three seconds might've slowed down a bit once or twice since then. Not a problem around here.[/QUOTE]

[SNIPERBBB]

I've had a few 10 second violations...and the kids weren't still even close to being ready to shoot.

[jTheUmp]

You want rare events? How about 10-3-9 (goaltending during a free throw).

I've NEVER seen that one, and I doubt that I ever will.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

You want rare events? How about 10-3-9 (goaltending during a free throw).

I've NEVER seen that one, and I doubt that I ever will.

Never say never. This happened during an NCAAM's game a couple of seasons ago. JRut posted the video.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post943173

[crosscountry55]

I called a 10-second free-throw violation during my second year. Front end of a one-and-one, no less. In a close game. Let's just say my partner provided some forward-leaning mentorship afterwards. I have never called it since. One time I counted (slowly) to 15. Still didn't blow it.

How about this for rare. Don't have my book in front of me, but a live ball (not a try) that enters the basket from behind the three-point line. Counts as two points. Never thought I'd see it, and then sure enough a Duke player a couple of seasons ago trying to save a ball from going out of bounds in the corner flipped one right through his opponent's basket. Damn the bad luck. The crew was right on top of it and made sure the score was a 2 and not a 3. No one in the entire place knew that rule except the officials.

[Remington]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

3) disallowing a FT attempt due to 10 secs having expired.

I called this in a D2 game. Player reached 10 seconds on his first couple free throws. I warned him during a dead ball, and subsequently called one on his next throw. Player would bounce the ball, spin the ball, go behind his back, bounce and spin again before shooting. Coach was obviously upset but when we reviewed the film it was between 12-13 seconds each time.