subs in?

[kstiles99]

rookie question: if an official hears a coach say "side out" (maybe calling a play or something) and grants that coach a timeout by mistake, I know that we just continue play at that point. but what if the coach wants to sub in some players.. allowed?? thank you!

[OKREF]

I'm letting them in.

[bballref3966]

Why wouldn't the substitution be allowed?

[kstiles99]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Why wouldn't the substitution be allowed?

just seems like an unfair advantage to the coach should he/she decide to sub in players

Originally Posted by kstiles99

just seems like an unfair advantage to the coach should he/she decide to sub in players

True, but there are tons of other things that seem unfair from a certain perspective that are allowed by rule. In this situation a sub is allowed by rule, so let them in!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by kstiles99

rookie question: if an official hears a coach say "side out" (maybe calling a play or something) and grants that coach a timeout by mistake, I know that we just continue play at that point. but what if the coach wants to sub in some players.. allowed?? thank you!

Actually if you grant a timeout in this case, you are supposed to stick with the timeout. But that is another issue for another day. But yes you would allow the subs in the game. It is an accidental whistle, nothing prevents a sub from coming in at that point or if you properly give the timeout.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by kstiles99

... if an official hears a coach say "side out" (maybe calling a play or something) and grants that coach a timeout by mistake, I know that we just continue play at that point.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually if you grant a timeout in this case, you are supposed to stick with the timeout.

I am certain that there is a NFHS interpretation that states that the granting of the timeout can be rescinded in this specific case of a coach who did not actually request a timeout. Unfortunately, I can't find a rule, or casebook interpretation, citation to support my interpretation. How about a little help out there guys?

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I am certain that there is a NFHS interpretation that states that the granting of the timeout can be rescinded in this specific case of a coach who did not actually request a timeout. Unfortunately, I can't find a rule, or casebook interpretation, citation to support my interpretation. How about a little help out there guys?

5.8.3 SITUATION E:

A1 is dribbling the ball in his/her backcourt when: (a) the Team B head coach requests and is erroneously granted a time-out by an official; or (b) the Team A head coach is yelling "side out" offensive instructions to his/her team and the official stops play believing the coach requested a time-out.

RULING: In (a), Team B is entitled to use the time-out since it was requested and granted; once granted it cannot be revoked and is charged to Team B. All privileges and rights permitted during a charged time-out are available to both teams. Play will resume with a Team A throw-in nearest to where play was stopped. In (b), an inadvertent whistle has occurred. Team A was not requesting a time-out, and therefore, should not be granted or charged with one. Play is resumed at the point of interruption. (4-36-1; 4-36-2a)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kstiles99

rookie question: if an official hears a coach say "side out" (maybe calling a play or something) and grants that coach a timeout by mistake, I know that we just continue play at that point. but what if the coach wants to sub in some players.. allowed?? thank you!

NCAA has some rules restricting subs in the last minute of play (the specifics vary between NCAAM and NCAAW).

FED has no such restrictions.

And, yes, rescind the TO request.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

5.8.3 SITUATION E:

A1 is dribbling the ball in his/her backcourt when: (a) the Team B head coach requests and is erroneously granted a time-out by an official; or (b) the Team A head coach is yelling "side out" offensive instructions to his/her team and the official stops play believing the coach requested a time-out.

RULING: In (a), Team B is entitled to use the time-out since it was requested and granted; once granted it cannot be revoked and is charged to Team B. All privileges and rights permitted during a charged time-out are available to both teams. Play will resume with a Team A throw-in nearest to where play was stopped. In (b), an inadvertent whistle has occurred. Team A was not requesting a time-out, and therefore, should not be granted or charged with one. Play is resumed at the point of interruption. (4-36-1; 4-36-2a)

Well that is a change and I am glad because no one did that in good conscious. I never did that and would never do that moving forward when clearly the mistake is ours.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well that is a change and I am glad because no one did that in good conscious. I never did that and would never do that moving forward when clearly the mistake is ours.

Peace

I think it's been in the book for 20 years at least.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think it's been in the book for 20 years at least.

It has not been that long as I had a conversation about this when I did not grant a timeout and a veteran told me about the casebook. This conversation took place in the 90s and did not change for some time as it was still in the book.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well that is a change and I am glad because no one did that in good conscious. I never did that and would never do that moving forward when clearly the mistake is ours.

Peace

This casebook ruling is about four years old.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It has not been that long as I had a conversation about this when I did not grant a timeout and a veteran told me about the casebook. This conversation took place in the 90s and did not change for some time as it was still in the book.

Peace

If somebody asks for a TO and you blow whistle, rule obligates you to give it/enforce it...even if they didnt have ball, control etc. Even if you shouldnt have blown the whistle for them.
If they didnt ask for a TO but you thought they did then you put ball in play at POI.

This has been the rule for a long time.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think it's been in the book for 20 years at least.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It has not been that long as I had a conversation about this when I did not grant a timeout and a veteran told me about the casebook. This conversation took place in the 90s and did not change for some time as it was still in the book.

Ummm. Half of the 90s were at least 20 years ago.

Getting old stinks, doesn't it? What seems like 5 years ago turns out to be 20.