Out of subs, and a DQ

[Scrapper1]

Team A is down to 5 eligible team members. A1 commits his fifth personal foul. Coach is notified, player is notified. Coach has no subs available, so Team A will continue the game with only 4 players. Coach asks if he still gets his 20 seconds for the replacement period.

Do we give it?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Team A is down to 5 eligible team members. A1 commits his fifth personal foul. Coach is notified, player is notified. Coach has no subs available, so Team A will continue the game with only 4 players. Coach asks if he still gets his 20 seconds for the replacement period.

Do we give it?

No.

MTD, Sr.

[tref]

They only have 4, no subs. That being said, whats another 20 seconds? Be compassionate...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

No.

MTD, Sr.

Agree...the 20 seconds is for them to make a decision about who to put in. With no one to put in, no 20 seconds.

[JugglingReferee]

And if a coach tells his players to "come over here".....

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

No.

Originally Posted by tref

They only have 4, no subs. That being said, whats another 20 seconds? Be compassionate...

This is pretty much what we came up with at our last meeting, too. By rule, they probably shouldn't get it, since the 20 seconds is specifically to replace the DQ'd player and they can't do that. But what is the 20 seconds really going to hurt? Sound the horn after 5 seconds and get them back on the court in 15.

Does anybody think this is a bad approach?

[tjones1]

If I were the coach I'd say I have an available sub in the locker room putting his shoes on... then say he's become sick and is no longer available.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

This is pretty much what we came up with at our last meeting, too. By rule, they probably shouldn't get it, since the 20 seconds is specifically to replace the DQ'd player and they can't do that. But what is the 20 seconds really going to hurt? Sound the horn after 5 seconds and get them back on the court in 15.

Does anybody think this is a bad approach?

It's bad in that no rule or mechanic supports it.

I think I'd find a middle path: "No, I can't give you the 20 seconds, coach, but it might take me 20 seconds to get ready to put the ball in play."

Not that this is decisive, but what's the other coach going to say about that, that I'm slow?

[Toren]

I don't see anything about having to have an eligible substitute to give the time? All I see if a player is disqualified and we shall direct the timer to give a maximum of 20 seconds.

The fact that the coach has no eligible substitutes doesn't stop him/her from having the allotted time to determine he has no eligible substitutes.

3-12-5

[tref]

Originally Posted by Toren

I don't see anything about having to have an eligible substitute to give the time? All I see if a player is disqualified and we shall direct the timer to give a maximum of 20 seconds.

The fact that the coach has no eligible substitutes doesn't stop him/her from having the allotted time to determine he has no eligible substitutes.

3-12-5

Somebody ripped some pages out of my book

[Toren]

Originally Posted by tref

Somebody ripped some pages out of my book

haha, my fault 2-12-5

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

And if a coach tells his players to "come over here".....

Then you tell the coach we're ready to play.

Had a disqualification this past Saturday. NCAA-M rules, so calling official went opposite and I came tableside. Before I even had a chance to finish sentence "Coach, that's 5 on..." the coach already had a sub at the table and says "I know, thanks, that's his sub".

As I beckon the sub on the OPPOSING coach calls his players over and I have tell him "Let's go coach, sub is already in". Definitely caught him off-guard that I wouldn't allow him to huddle.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Toren

2-12-5

Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of the 20
seconds (maximum) permitted for replacing a disqualified or injured player, or for
a player directed to leave the game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of the 20
seconds (maximum) permitted for replacing a disqualified or injured player, or for
a player directed to leave the game.

I think that the coach should have twenty seconds to instruct his players on how his team will play four against five. I'm not sure the rules back me up, but I'm also not 100% sure that they don't, I'm just 99% sure that they don't.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Toren

I don't see anything about having to have an eligible substitute to give the time? All I see if a player is disqualified and we shall direct the timer to give a maximum of 20 seconds.

The fact that the coach has no eligible substitutes doesn't stop him/her from having the allotted time to determine he has no eligible substitutes.

3-12-5

Yes, it does (in my reading at least). No subs, no time. It's not a "time out", it's a "replacement interval".