How do you emphasize a rule that doesn't exist?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

I want more direction from my state before I do such a thing. Otherwise the POE is like it does not exist.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

First time what happens? He crosses that line? He crosses that line and makes illegal contact with the shooter?

Because it's going to be pretty hard to cross that line without making contact.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because it's going to be pretty hard to cross that line without making contact.

Disagree. I do agree that it will be hard to make contact without crossing the line.

And, I sure hope there's a clarifying play or two in the annual interps that come out about mid-November. Until then, I won't really give it much thought.

[Texref]

Nevermind... i posted without thinking. My bad....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Disagree. I do agree that it will be hard to make contact without crossing the line.

And, I sure hope there's a clarifying play or two in the annual interps that come out about mid-November. Until then, I won't really give it much thought.

Well most FT shooters are close to the line. So unless they back up immediately after the shot, they are going to be standing right over the line. So there is likely to be some kind of contact and if you wish you can call a foul and stop all that mess.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What does the rule say?

There is your answer. I do not give a darn what a POE says that will be gone the following year.

To me this what like when the NF several years ago used the term "moving screen" in their wording in a POE but never mentioned how that was not a rulebook term or even applied to the rule. Then the next year the POE was gone and the rule never was changed. Funny we have not heard or seen that kind of wording about screens sense.

Peace

Sounds good to me.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by OKREF

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

This sounds like a really bad idea. If I'm the coach, and you're telling me you saw a violation and didn't call it, then who's to say what other violations you're seeing and not calling.... for my team.

Perhaps you're referring to lower level games, where you may be a little lax on the rules, but there's no way I'm doing that in a varsity contest.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

This sounds like a really bad idea. If I'm the coach, and you're telling me you saw a violation and didn't call it, then who's to say what other violations you're seeing and not calling.... for my team.
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I'm not telling the coach anything, regardless of how I handle it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

This sounds like a really bad idea. If I'm the coach, and you're telling me you saw a violation and didn't call it, then who's to say what other violations you're seeing and not calling.... for my team.

Perhaps you're referring to lower level games, where you may be a little lax on the rules, but there's no way I'm doing that in a varsity contest.

You act as though we have huge rule discussions with coaches on the court. I've probably worked over 1000 varsity contests over the last 20 years and this doesn't cause me one bit of angst. Call it...or don't call it....and move on.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

You act as though we have huge rule discussions with coaches on the court. I've probably worked over 1000 varsity contests over the last 20 years and this doesn't cause me one bit of angst. Call it...or don't call it....and move on.

What are talking about? "Huge rule discussions"? I'm just saying that I'm not going to tell a coach that I saw a violation and didn't call it, because if the other coach hears me say that he's probably going to take issue with it (and rightfully so). So why open up that can of worms?

[OKREF]

I think the purpose of the POE is to get in line with the violation for crossing over the 3 point line and into the free throw semi circle prior to the ball hitting the rim. What the POE is effectively saying is, its a violation to enter the free throw semi circle from both behind the 3 point line and from crossing over the free throw line. Just for what its worth, we were told at a camp in June that this is a violation and it needed to be called.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I think the purpose of the POE is to get in line with the violation for crossing over the 3 point line and into the free throw semi circle prior to the ball hitting the rim. What the POE is effectively saying is, its a violation to enter the free throw semi circle from both behind the 3 point line and from crossing over the free throw line. Just for what its worth, we were told at a camp in June that this is a violation and it needed to be called.

Are they instructing you to ignore the contact?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

What are talking about? "Huge rule discussions"? I'm just saying that I'm not going to tell a coach that I saw a violation and didn't call it, because if the other coach hears me say that he's probably going to take issue with it (and rightfully so). So why open up that can of worms?

Why do you need to tell the coach anything? Do you tell them something everything you call a violation they do not like?

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why do you need to tell the coach anything? Do you tell them something everything you call a violation they do not like?

Peace

What is going on?

In my first post I said that I would never tell a coach that I didn't call a violation, but would call it next time. And somehow that got twisted into me having "huge rule discussions" with coaches, and now I'm getting interrogated about telling coaches anything.

Let's try again...

I'm NOT telling the coaches anything. I'm ESPECIALLY not telling them that I saw a violation and did not call it... Which is what OKREF said, and I replied to.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

What is going on?

In my first post I said that I would never tell a coach that I didn't call a violation, but would call it next time. And somehow that got twisted into me having "huge rule discussions" with coaches, and now I'm getting interrogated about telling coaches anything.

Let's try again...

I'm NOT telling the coaches anything. I'm ESPECIALLY not telling them that I saw a violation and did not call it... Which is what OKREF said, and I replied to.

I did not say anything about having a huge discussion, that was someone else. But if I call or do not call something, I am not having a discussion with the coach as to why. And I am not going to talk about why I did or did not do something earlier.

Peace