How do you emphasize a rule that doesn't exist?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The NF is not infallible For God's sake. They clearly made a mistake. Just move on if you ask me. People kill me as if they cannot use some common sense in these situations.

Peace

OK, then which way are you calling it? It is a valid question. Either option could make sense.

Or, do by "move on if you ask me" mean you're going to ignore it?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

OK, then which way are you calling it? It is a valid question. Either option could make sense.

Or, do by "move on if you ask me" mean you're going to ignore it?

What does the rule say?

There is your answer. I do not give a darn what a POE says that will be gone the following year.

To me this what like when the NF several years ago used the term "moving screen" in their wording in a POE but never mentioned how that was not a rulebook term or even applied to the rule. Then the next year the POE was gone and the rule never was changed. Funny we have not heard or seen that kind of wording about screens sense.

Peace

[john5396]

Fed did this to us in baseball a couple of years ago. POE to call balk for pitching from the "combination position" (half way between stretch and wind up) with no change in rule. One of the combination cases was already illegal, the other was completely legal.

Fed changes the rule the next year to align with the POE.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What does the rule say?

There is your answer. I do not give a darn what a POE says that will be gone the following year.

To me this what like when the NF several years ago used the term "moving screen" in their wording in a POE but never mentioned how that was not a rulebook term or even applied to the rule. Then the next year the POE was gone and the rule never was changed. Funny we have not heard or seen that kind of wording about screens sense.

Peace

Sounds good to me.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

OK, then which way are you calling it? It is a valid question. Either option could make sense.

Or, do by "move on if you ask me" mean you're going to ignore it?

I'll call a violation if it feels like it needs to be called. How's that?

[OKREF]

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

I want more direction from my state before I do such a thing. Otherwise the POE is like it does not exist.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

First time what happens? He crosses that line? He crosses that line and makes illegal contact with the shooter?

Because it's going to be pretty hard to cross that line without making contact.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because it's going to be pretty hard to cross that line without making contact.

Disagree. I do agree that it will be hard to make contact without crossing the line.

And, I sure hope there's a clarifying play or two in the annual interps that come out about mid-November. Until then, I won't really give it much thought.

[Texref]

Nevermind... i posted without thinking. My bad....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Disagree. I do agree that it will be hard to make contact without crossing the line.

And, I sure hope there's a clarifying play or two in the annual interps that come out about mid-November. Until then, I won't really give it much thought.

Well most FT shooters are close to the line. So unless they back up immediately after the shot, they are going to be standing right over the line. So there is likely to be some kind of contact and if you wish you can call a foul and stop all that mess.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by OKREF

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

This sounds like a really bad idea. If I'm the coach, and you're telling me you saw a violation and didn't call it, then who's to say what other violations you're seeing and not calling.... for my team.

Perhaps you're referring to lower level games, where you may be a little lax on the rules, but there's no way I'm doing that in a varsity contest.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

First time it happens, tell the kid not to do it. Tell the coach that it is a violation and that the POE says to call it one. After that, I doubt it will happen again, if it does, call a violation and it will stop.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

This sounds like a really bad idea. If I'm the coach, and you're telling me you saw a violation and didn't call it, then who's to say what other violations you're seeing and not calling.... for my team.
....

I'm not telling the coach anything, regardless of how I handle it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

This sounds like a really bad idea. If I'm the coach, and you're telling me you saw a violation and didn't call it, then who's to say what other violations you're seeing and not calling.... for my team.

Perhaps you're referring to lower level games, where you may be a little lax on the rules, but there's no way I'm doing that in a varsity contest.

You act as though we have huge rule discussions with coaches on the court. I've probably worked over 1000 varsity contests over the last 20 years and this doesn't cause me one bit of angst. Call it...or don't call it....and move on.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

You act as though we have huge rule discussions with coaches on the court. I've probably worked over 1000 varsity contests over the last 20 years and this doesn't cause me one bit of angst. Call it...or don't call it....and move on.

What are talking about? "Huge rule discussions"? I'm just saying that I'm not going to tell a coach that I saw a violation and didn't call it, because if the other coach hears me say that he's probably going to take issue with it (and rightfully so). So why open up that can of worms?