Pick off play at 1B

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by onetime1

Why is this a balk.

simulating a pitching motion while not on the rubber.

For FED, see 6.1.3L

[john5396]

He was not on the rubber because he contacted the rubber with his non pivot foot, not his pivot foot. This was a balk as soon as he stared doing pitching motions while not proerly in contact with the rubber, (looking for sign, scratching, stretch, etc.).

I had a youth coach a few years ago adamantly insist he had found this flaw in the rule a few years ago... Windup position with the non pivit foot on the rubber, pivot behind the rubber, start to hind up, stepping back with the non pivot foot, then pickoff the runner at 3rd...(Love it when a dad thinks he has found a loophole in the rule and teached a kid to cheat...)

[john5396]

Fed 2.28.6 defines pivot foot, so Dad cannot just say his left foort was his pivot foot.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by john5396

Fed 2.28.6 defines pivot foot, so Dad cannot just say his left foot was his pivot foot.

OBR 2.00 The pitcher’s PIVOT FOOT is that foot which is in contact with the pitcher’s plate as he delivers the pitch.

[BSUmp16]

It seems to me this is key: "Glove on his left hand means he was pitching right-handed." Is there rule support for this?

Also, is it even possible to pitch from this position? (I mean physically). And assuming further he could physically deliver the ball to the catcher using his right hand from this position, would that violate any other pitching proscriptions?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

It seems to me this is key: "Glove on his left hand means he was pitching right-handed." Is there rule support for this?

Also, is it even possible to pitch from this position? (I mean physically). And assuming further he could physically deliver the ball to the catcher using his right hand from this position, would that violate any other pitching proscriptions?

1) Under the ambidextrous pitcher / batter rules, there's a clause (or an interp) that the pitcher can "declare" by placing the glove on one hand or the other.

2) Sure. Lots of two year olds first step "goofy footed" when they are learning to throw.

You're not going to see it in MLB, so maybe it's just one of the omissions in OBR.

[onetime1]

Now after watching the replay since it all happened so fast. The glove was on his right hand but ahh was pulled up so it was more so attached to his forearm/wrist and the ball then was between both hands.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by onetime1

Now after watching the replay since it all happened so fast. The glove was on his right hand but ahh was pulled up so it was more so attached to his forearm/wrist and the ball then was between both hands.

If he was pretending to pitch left handed after pitching right handed then the ambidextrous rules apply.

Sounds like you meant right arm as you said the ball was between both hands. So he wasn't wearing it on the hand. Violation.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

It seems to me this is key: "Glove on his left hand means he was pitching right-handed." Is there rule support for this?

Also, is it even possible to pitch from this position? (I mean physically). And assuming further he could physically deliver the ball to the catcher using his right hand from this position, would that violate any other pitching proscriptions?

You think he's going to pitch from the glove?

8.01(f ) A pitcher must indicate visually to the umpire-in-chief, the batter and any runners the hand with which he intends to pitch, which may be done by wearing his glove on the other hand while touching the pitcher’s plate.

[onetime1]

8.01(f ) A pitcher must indicate visually to the umpire-in-chief, the batter and any runners the hand with which he intends to pitch, which may be done by wearing his glove on the other hand while touching the pitcher’s plate.
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So as a pitcher you are required to cooperate with the baserunner? Do you also have to tell the runner at 1b when you are going to throw over? Glove was worn on the right hand and ball was thrown with the right hand. So this is a violation of 8.01? This is what I need to tell my mom so she knows how to lead off 1b better.