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[Publius]

Originally Posted by UES

I do wonder about this one.

In NCAA baseball:

I've ejected immediately for that. I've kept guys in the game just so I could screw them later for that. I've told guys "Either that line disappears, or you do" and had them erase it, whereby they stayed in the game, and had them ignore me--or draw it again--and get ejected.

Context.

[Texas Aggie]

I wish baseball would come up with a non-ejection penalty for this type of thing. In football, its 15 yards; in basketball, its a T. No ejection in either sport*. Obviously, the sports are different, but the SAME behavior for essentially the SAME reason creates 2 very different results. In all sports, you always have the ejection penalty when its needed.

I don't have the answer, but I think some thought should be given to this. Maybe a game penalty later; maybe a loss of a DH for that game or the next.

*I did eject a kid in basketball once for kicking over a water bucket. Made a huge mess and seemed appropriate penalty.

[briancurtin]

PENALTY: If the infraction was on the defensive team, the pitcher has to throw to the next batter from second base. If the infraction was on the offensive team, the next batter must to hit opposite handed. AR1. If the next batter is a switch hitter, the next non-switch hitter has to do it.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I wish baseball would come up with a non-ejection penalty for this type of thing. In football, its 15 yards; in basketball, its a T. No ejection in either sport*. Obviously, the sports are different, but the SAME behavior for essentially the SAME reason creates 2 very different results. In all sports, you always have the ejection penalty when its needed.

I don't have the answer, but I think some thought should be given to this. Maybe a game penalty later; maybe a loss of a DH for that game or the next.

This will never happen, however......

PENALTY: Offending team now has to get 4 outs in the half-inning in which they are on defense, or forfeits an out to the opponent if the incident occurs while they are on offense.

(note - 4th out cannot be attained by virtue of a 4th out on appeal)

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I wish baseball would come up with a non-ejection penalty for this type of thing. In football, its 15 yards; in basketball, its a T. No ejection in either sport*. Obviously, the sports are different, but the SAME behavior for essentially the SAME reason creates 2 very different results. In all sports, you always have the ejection penalty when its needed.

I don't have the answer, but I think some thought should be given to this. Maybe a game penalty later; maybe a loss of a DH for that game or the next.

*I did eject a kid in basketball once for kicking over a water bucket. Made a huge mess and seemed appropriate penalty.

In a perfect world? We could just pull out your phone app and check off the applicable rule and penalty. Once you click "ok", the penalty is applied and the game continues without any reference to what just happened.

ORRRRRRRRRRR! How about we learn how to deal with people and quit looking for ways to throw players out of games like any run of the mill, average official can do.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jicecone

In a perfect world? We could just pull out your phone app and check off the applicable rule and penalty. Once you click "ok", the penalty is applied and the game continues without any reference to what just happened.

ORRRRRRRRRRR! How about we learn how to deal with people and quit looking for ways to throw players out of games like any run of the mill, average official can do.

We can deal with and manage people before they do something that gets them ejected. After they commit the ejectable offense, now it becomes "looking for a reason to "keep them in the game.""

Quite frankly, I'm not all that interested in that. And this from a guy who hasn't had an ejection since last May.

[johnnyg08]

In one breath the NCAA shows a video clip of chin music after the previous batter hits a home run and says that it should result in an ejection even though the well-respected umpire issued a warning. In the next breath they imply that if the game is big enough, then we need to let it go. My question: Does this only apply to Omaha? How about a rivalry weekend? Conference clinching game? Any game in the conference tournament? Any game in the regional? Super Regional? Or are those games not big enough...so if you do EJ, then you'll never see that level of ball again? So how does one who aspires to get to "the next level" decide when to enforce the rules? Or when to bend them?

[tcarilli]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

In one breath the NCAA shows a video clip of chin music after the previous batter hits a home run and says that it should result in an ejection even though the well-respected umpire issued a warning. In the next breath they imply that if the game is big enough, then we need to let it go...

Throwing at hitters and throwing masks and gloves into the ground are substantively different. Throwing at hitters is a safety issue and is consistent with the other safety rules in the NCAA, eg, force-play-slide rule, one on-deck hitter, the safety triangle, malicious contact, etc.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Rich

We can deal with and manage people before they do something that gets them ejected. After they commit the ejectable offense, now it becomes "looking for a reason to "keep them in the game.""

Quite frankly, I'm not all that interested in that. And this from a guy who hasn't had an ejection since last May.

I agree Rich, and I am certainly not going to look for a reason to "keep them in the game." either.

However, it seems that many here have expressed the need for every officials action or reaction to every play, be put in writing. That may work well for the upcoming official because they will know exactly what to do, to get to the top game but, it is unrealistic and not always going to get you there anyway.

Just as it happened in this scenario, sometimes just common sense and experience has to be applied. Just using the words, that are written in between the printed lines of the documented rules.