3rd to 1st Move Becomes a Balk

[egj13]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Seriously - if you're so completely right in the face of everyone else telling you otherwise - what do you think they meant by this last statement.

But sure, you're right, and everyone else is wrong. Everyone. OK. Nice ego there.

BTW - anecdotes about something that a supposed MLB umpire's son might have said are rather meaningless.

What you are continuing to miss MD is the decpetion in the move that makes it a balk...Even if you have disengaged the rubber when you spin on the front foot and fail to step ahead of the throw to first it is a balk.

[Mrumpiresir]

Originally Posted by egj13

What you are continuing to miss MD is the decpetion in the move that makes it a balk...Even if you have disengaged the rubber when you spin on the front foot and fail to step ahead of the throw to first it is a balk.

Wrong. He is disengaged and is now an infielder. Infielders are not regulated by the pitching rules.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

Wrong. He is disengaged and is now an infielder. Infielders are not regulated by the pitching rules.

Funny for someone with so much experience...the MLB rule comment tells you directly that this is a balk.

[Mrumpiresir]

Originally Posted by egj13

Funny for someone with so much experience...the MLB rule comment tells you directly that this is a balk.

Really? Quote the rule in its entirety.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

Really? Quote the rule in its entirety.

it has been posted several times on here but here is exactly what it says...

with runners on first and third, the pitcher, while in contact with the rubber, steps toward third and then
immediately and in practically the same motion “wheels” and throws to first base, it is obviously an
attempt to deceive the runner at first base, and in such a move it is practically impossible to step
directly toward first base before the throw to first base, and such a move shall be called a balk
Not that you will still be able to read it correctly so I don't know why I bother.

[Mrumpiresir]

8.05 If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when—

(c) The pitcher, while touching his plate, fails to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base;

Comment:
It is possible, with runners on first and third, for the pitcher to step toward third and not throw, merely to bluff the runner back to third; then seeing the
runner on first start for second, turn and step toward and throw to first base. This is legal. However, if, with runners on first and third, the pitcher, while in contact with the rubber, steps toward third and the immediately and in practically the same motion “wheels” and throws to first base, it is obviously an attempt to deceive the runner at first base, and in such a move it is practically impossible to step directly toward first base before the throw to first base, and such a move shall be called a balk. Of course, if the pitcher steps off the rubber and then makes such a move, it is not a balk.

I didn't think you would quote the entire rule or the comment.

RIF

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

. Of course, if the pitcher steps off the rubber and then makes such a move, it is not a balk.

I didn't think you would quote the entire rule or the comment.

RIF

There you go again, trying to use the words from the rulebook to support your decision!

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by egj13

What you are continuing to miss MD is the decpetion in the move that makes it a balk

You are under the misconception that deception is the reason for a balk. It is not. Not following the pitching rules is the reason for a balk.

As you say the rule is being changed so yours and our points are going to be moot. The only thing that might matter is your credibility on this board, which has taken a big hit is the eyes of all us know-nothings.