3rd to 1st Move Becomes a Balk

[Mrumpiresir]

egj13, you are flat wrong. Listen to the veterans on the board who have tried to gently let you know you are wrong. Get some experience and read the rulebook before posting your incorrect "knowledge".

[egj13]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

egj13, you are flat wrong. Listen to the veterans on the board who have tried to gently let you know you are wrong. Get some experience and read the rulebook before posting your incorrect "knowledge".

I will add you to the camp that has no idea what he is talking about...

By the way I am just as veteran as most people on this board...

[Mrumpiresir]

Originally Posted by egj13

I will add you to the camp that has no idea what he is talking about...

So you are the only one that is correct and everyone else is wrong?

Originally Posted by egj13

By the way I am just as veteran as most people on this board...

Doesn't sound like it

[egj13]

Here is what everyone is missing I think...

"it is obviously an attempt to deceive the runner at first base, and in such a move it is practically impossible to step directly toward first base before the throw to first base, and such a move shall be called a balk".

Look I don't know how you guys don't see this and I don't care really. It isn't a rule anymore anyway. The only reason I am so adamant on this is because of a discussion last year with the MLB umpire dad I was talking about earlier. This is exactly how his son explained it to him and how he explained it to me. The deception of the play is what is the balk...when you step toward third, then spin on that front foot to throw to first the deception of the play EVEN THOUGH YOUR FOOT HAS DISENGAGED THE RUBBER is what makes the move a balk. Now if you step towards 3rd, disengage, turn and STEP towards first it isnt a balk. Like I said this is an intrepretation straight from an MLB umpire. You all can take it or leave it I don't care.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by egj13

Here is what everyone is missing I think...

"it is obviously an attempt to deceive the runner at first base, and in such a move it is practically impossible to step directly toward first base before the throw to first base, and such a move shall be called a balk".

Look I don't know how you guys don't see this and I don't care really. It isn't a rule anymore anyway. The only reason I am so adamant on this is because of a discussion last year with the MLB umpire dad I was talking about earlier. This is exactly how his son explained it to him and how he explained it to me. The deception of the play is what is the balk...when you step toward third, then spin on that front foot to throw to first the deception of the play EVEN THOUGH YOUR FOOT HAS DISENGAGED THE RUBBER is what makes the move a balk. Now if you step towards 3rd, disengage, turn and STEP towards first it isnt a balk. Like I said this is an intrepretation straight from an MLB umpire. You all can take it or leave it I don't care.

And keep up with your blissful ignorance. Does it not make you wonder why you're the only one on here who interprets the rule this way?

If it was a problem, surely you can find video on MLB.com that shows this being called a balk, right?

I could say I talked to anyone and they told me anything. Doesn't make it correct.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by zm1283

And keep up with your blissful ignorance. Does it not make you wonder why you're the only one on here who interprets the rule this way?

If it was a problem, surely you can find video on MLB.com that shows this being called a balk, right?

I could say I talked to anyone and they told me anything. Doesn't make it correct.

Like I said..doesn't matter because the rule is changed this year so you guys can't miss it anymore.

I still have a hard time believeing that MLB would put an example of a play in the rule book that is impossible to perform...but hey keep on believing.

[Mrumpiresir]

Originally Posted by egj13

Like I said..doesn't matter because the rule is changed this year so you guys can't miss it anymore.

I still have a hard time believeing that MLB would put an example of a play in the rule book that is impossible to perform...but hey keep on believing.

The whole world thinks you are the one that has been missing the call.

So tell me, are you the kind of guy that, after calling a balk, is going to give the offense the choice of the penalty or the result of the play?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by egj13

Like I said..doesn't matter because the rule is changed this year so you guys can't miss it anymore.

I still have a hard time believeing that MLB would put an example of a play in the rule book that is impossible to perform...but hey keep on believing.

I'll remember that the next time someone uses licorice or paraffin to deface a baseball.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by egj13

Like I said..doesn't matter because the rule is changed this year so you guys can't miss it anymore.

I still have a hard time believeing that MLB would put an example of a play in the rule book that is impossible to perform...but hey keep on believing.

Under rule 2.0 Interference it says "On any interference the ball is dead."

You going to take this literally?

Sounds like maybe you need time with the rule book instead of in it. You are wrong concerning your opinion regarding this matter. I look forward to your other interpretations.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by egj13

EVEN THOUGH YOUR FOOT HAS DISENGAGED THE RUBBER

Originally Posted by MLB

Of course, if the pitcher steps off the rubber and then makes such a move, it is not a balk.

Seriously - if you're so completely right in the face of everyone else telling you otherwise - what do you think they meant by this last statement.

But sure, you're right, and everyone else is wrong. Everyone. OK. Nice ego there.

BTW - anecdotes about something that a supposed MLB umpire's son might have said are rather meaningless.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Seriously - if you're so completely right in the face of everyone else telling you otherwise - what do you think they meant by this last statement.

But sure, you're right, and everyone else is wrong. Everyone. OK. Nice ego there.

BTW - anecdotes about something that a supposed MLB umpire's son might have said are rather meaningless.

What you are continuing to miss MD is the decpetion in the move that makes it a balk...Even if you have disengaged the rubber when you spin on the front foot and fail to step ahead of the throw to first it is a balk.

[Mrumpiresir]

Originally Posted by egj13

What you are continuing to miss MD is the decpetion in the move that makes it a balk...Even if you have disengaged the rubber when you spin on the front foot and fail to step ahead of the throw to first it is a balk.

Wrong. He is disengaged and is now an infielder. Infielders are not regulated by the pitching rules.

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by egj13

What you are continuing to miss MD is the decpetion in the move that makes it a balk

You are under the misconception that deception is the reason for a balk. It is not. Not following the pitching rules is the reason for a balk.

As you say the rule is being changed so yours and our points are going to be moot. The only thing that might matter is your credibility on this board, which has taken a big hit is the eyes of all us know-nothings.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

So you are the only one that is correct and everyone else is wrong?

Yes

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by egj13

I will add you to the camp that has no idea what he is talking about...

By the way I am just as veteran as most people on this board...

You could be the most senior person this board, the internet, and the entire sport has ever seen, but you are not correct.