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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:54am
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It means if the pitcher doesn't disengage with his pivot foot before "wheeling" to throw to first. If he disengages, he's fine.
So..lol..I am trying to keep a straight face as I say this...you think that MLB put this in the rule book..let me break this description by MLB down.

A pitcher steps toward third...doesn't take his foot off the rubber (according to you) and then somehow with one foot on the rubber, one foot on the third base side of the mound attempts to throw to first...

This practice was such an issue that MLB felt of all the rules in the book, this one needed the example put in the book? Get the F out of here if you believe that...
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:55am
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I just broke my ankle merely thinking about trying to wheel on my front foot and throw the other direction.
Right. It's the move you make when you want to fake out your dog when you're throwing the tennis ball, or when you're having fun with your 7 year olds in the back yard.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:56am
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egj13, you are flat wrong. Listen to the veterans on the board who have tried to gently let you know you are wrong. Get some experience and read the rulebook before posting your incorrect "knowledge".
I will add you to the camp that has no idea what he is talking about...

By the way I am just as veteran as most people on this board...
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:57am
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So..lol..I am trying to keep a straight face as I say this...you think that MLB put this in the rule book..let me break this description by MLB down.

A pitcher steps toward third...doesn't take his foot off the rubber (according to you) and then somehow with one foot on the rubber, one foot on the third base side of the mound attempts to throw to first...

This practice was such an issue that MLB felt of all the rules in the book, this one needed the example put in the book? Get the F out of here if you believe that...
Yes, that is exactly what the rule is for. In FED, the pitcher doesn't have to disengage with his pivot foot. In OBR/NCAA he does have to.

What levels do you work?
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:58am
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I will add you to the camp that has no idea what he is talking about...
So you are the only one that is correct and everyone else is wrong?

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By the way I am just as veteran as most people on this board...
Doesn't sound like it

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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:05pm
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Here is what everyone is missing I think...

"it is obviously an attempt to deceive the runner at first base, and in such a move it is practically impossible to step directly toward first base before the throw to first base, and such a move shall be called a balk".

Look I don't know how you guys don't see this and I don't care really. It isn't a rule anymore anyway. The only reason I am so adamant on this is because of a discussion last year with the MLB umpire dad I was talking about earlier. This is exactly how his son explained it to him and how he explained it to me. The deception of the play is what is the balk...when you step toward third, then spin on that front foot to throw to first the deception of the play EVEN THOUGH YOUR FOOT HAS DISENGAGED THE RUBBER is what makes the move a balk. Now if you step towards 3rd, disengage, turn and STEP towards first it isnt a balk. Like I said this is an intrepretation straight from an MLB umpire. You all can take it or leave it I don't care.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:06pm
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So you are the only one that is correct and everyone else is wrong?
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:08pm
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Here is what everyone is missing I think...

"it is obviously an attempt to deceive the runner at first base, and in such a move it is practically impossible to step directly toward first base before the throw to first base, and such a move shall be called a balk".

Look I don't know how you guys don't see this and I don't care really. It isn't a rule anymore anyway. The only reason I am so adamant on this is because of a discussion last year with the MLB umpire dad I was talking about earlier. This is exactly how his son explained it to him and how he explained it to me. The deception of the play is what is the balk...when you step toward third, then spin on that front foot to throw to first the deception of the play EVEN THOUGH YOUR FOOT HAS DISENGAGED THE RUBBER is what makes the move a balk. Now if you step towards 3rd, disengage, turn and STEP towards first it isnt a balk. Like I said this is an intrepretation straight from an MLB umpire. You all can take it or leave it I don't care.
And keep up with your blissful ignorance. Does it not make you wonder why you're the only one on here who interprets the rule this way?

If it was a problem, surely you can find video on MLB.com that shows this being called a balk, right?

I could say I talked to anyone and they told me anything. Doesn't make it correct.

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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:13pm
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EVEN THOUGH YOUR FOOT HAS DISENGAGED THE RUBBER
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Of course, if the pitcher steps off the rubber and then makes such a move, it is not a balk.
Seriously - if you're so completely right in the face of everyone else telling you otherwise - what do you think they meant by this last statement.

But sure, you're right, and everyone else is wrong. Everyone. OK. Nice ego there.

BTW - anecdotes about something that a supposed MLB umpire's son might have said are rather meaningless.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:15pm
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And keep up with your blissful ignorance. Does it not make you wonder why you're the only one on here who interprets the rule this way?

If it was a problem, surely you can find video on MLB.com that shows this being called a balk, right?

I could say I talked to anyone and they told me anything. Doesn't make it correct.
Like I said..doesn't matter because the rule is changed this year so you guys can't miss it anymore.

I still have a hard time believeing that MLB would put an example of a play in the rule book that is impossible to perform...but hey keep on believing.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:20pm
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Like I said..doesn't matter because the rule is changed this year so you guys can't miss it anymore.

I still have a hard time believeing that MLB would put an example of a play in the rule book that is impossible to perform...but hey keep on believing.
The whole world thinks you are the one that has been missing the call.

So tell me, are you the kind of guy that, after calling a balk, is going to give the offense the choice of the penalty or the result of the play?
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:20pm
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Like I said..doesn't matter because the rule is changed this year so you guys can't miss it anymore.

I still have a hard time believeing that MLB would put an example of a play in the rule book that is impossible to perform...but hey keep on believing.
I'll remember that the next time someone uses licorice or paraffin to deface a baseball.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:24pm
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I will add you to the camp that has no idea what he is talking about...

By the way I am just as veteran as most people on this board...
You could be the most senior person this board, the internet, and the entire sport has ever seen, but you are not correct.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:31pm
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The whole world thinks you are the one that has been missing the call.

So tell me, are you the kind of guy that, after calling a balk, is going to give the offense the choice of the penalty or the result of the play?
In OBR if a pitcher balks but the batter reaches first and all other runners advance at least one base then the balk is ignored.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:33pm
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Seriously - if you're so completely right in the face of everyone else telling you otherwise - what do you think they meant by this last statement.

But sure, you're right, and everyone else is wrong. Everyone. OK. Nice ego there.

BTW - anecdotes about something that a supposed MLB umpire's son might have said are rather meaningless.
What you are continuing to miss MD is the decpetion in the move that makes it a balk...Even if you have disengaged the rubber when you spin on the front foot and fail to step ahead of the throw to first it is a balk.
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