Ichiro Suzuki- out of baseline ?- O's game

[Rich]

Originally Posted by aceholleran

BTW, I thought this was an egregiously bad call. Look at the advantage Ichiro gained. But once again, he's a Yankee, they lost and NO ONE in the media had a quibble.

We rarely disagree, but we do here.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DUNDALKCHOPPER

The tag attempt was continuous throughout the play

Not really. the tag attempt started when the catcher caught the ball and started turning toward the runner. Look at where Itchy is when that catch is made --- already on the grass. Draw a line from that spot to the plate - did he move 3 feet perpendicular to THAT line while the catcher was attempting to tag him?

Also, that tag attempt ended once Itchy was out of range and catcher turned to dive back toward the plate.

[BigBaldGuy]

Originally Posted by JR12

I'm an Orioles fan, but I have to say, good call by Angel.

His first of the season...not a fan.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by aceholleran

BTW, I thought this was an egregiously bad call. Look at the advantage Ichiro gained. But once again, he's a Yankee, they lost and NO ONE in the media had a quibble.

What advantage was gained? He was not more than 3' from his established base path. The call was correct. Or, should I say non-call was correct. And, the tag near the plate was correct as well. F2 did not tag the leg until after the runner touched HP.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Not really. the tag attempt started when the catcher caught the ball and started turning toward the runner.

Really? I guess I may have a fundamental misunderstanding of when a tag attempt is actually made. I don't consider the start of a turn towards the runner as a tag attempt, since the runner could be well away from the fielder when he starts that turn. I feel the tag attempt took place when Wieters lunged for Ichiro, and at that point Ichiro just twisted to avoid.

By your description, Ichiro would have had to turn into the tag as soon as Wieters caught the ball.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Gotta give em both credit for a great effort!

Why do we sometimes want to over officiate.....two guys worked their tails off on this play !!!!!!! Itchy won the battle on this play but the O's won the game !!! Great game !!!!

Hey Grun - when your Nads get busted by the Cardinals, I don't want to see you north of Columbia trying to get on the BUCK TRUCK !!!!!!

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Really? I guess I may have a fundamental misunderstanding of when a tag attempt is actually made. I don't consider the start of a turn towards the runner as a tag attempt, since the runner could be well away from the fielder when he starts that turn. I feel the tag attempt took place when Wieters lunged for Ichiro, and at that point Ichiro just twisted to avoid.

Your point and mine are about a quarter of a second apart. My point was not to hash the difference between that quarter second, but rather to point out to most of those that think he should be out that he was ALREADY 3 feet from that white line before the tag started, and that HIS basepath is established when he's already that far away. I think we agree that this is NOT an example of running out of the baseline (not even close in my opinion)

By your description, Ichiro would have had to turn into the tag as soon as Wieters caught the ball.

I said nothing of the sort, not even close.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by DUNDALKCHOPPER

Ichiro just scored in the Yanks-O's game and I thought he had clearly gone further than 3ft from the foul line in avoiding the tag at home. Opinions ?

A common rules myth. That chalk line, or the direct line between bases, has nothing to do with making that call. It's the line the runner is taking to the base, at the point of the attempted tag on him by the defender. Suzuki was wide already, and went wider when he saw the catcher grabbing the ball. So, you have to judge 3+ feet more when that initial stab was made.

I thought it was great footwork by the PU to circle around, and keep moving for a better angle throughout that play. Whether he ended up with safe or out, he really worked hard to get a good look at it. That should end up in a training video, with all that went on there.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I said nothing of the sort, not even close.

My bad. I misunderstood your point.

[JugglingReferee]

Horrible defense by the catcher. Why is he going out to get the ball? Let the ball come to him, and block at least some of the plate.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Horrible defense by the catcher. Why is he going out to get the ball? Let the ball come to him, and block at least some of the plate.

I wonder if Posey's injury from last year (I believe) has anything to do with this. Or, has it just been a growing trend before that?

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

I wonder if Posey's injury from last year (I believe) has anything to do with this. Or, has it just been a growing trend before that?

I have heard that catchers are being trained to not "Buster Posey" it at home plate. It simply isn't worth it.