Ichiro Suzuki- out of baseline ?- O's game

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DUNDALKCHOPPER

The tag attempt was continuous throughout the play

Not really. the tag attempt started when the catcher caught the ball and started turning toward the runner. Look at where Itchy is when that catch is made --- already on the grass. Draw a line from that spot to the plate - did he move 3 feet perpendicular to THAT line while the catcher was attempting to tag him?

Also, that tag attempt ended once Itchy was out of range and catcher turned to dive back toward the plate.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Not really. the tag attempt started when the catcher caught the ball and started turning toward the runner.

Really? I guess I may have a fundamental misunderstanding of when a tag attempt is actually made. I don't consider the start of a turn towards the runner as a tag attempt, since the runner could be well away from the fielder when he starts that turn. I feel the tag attempt took place when Wieters lunged for Ichiro, and at that point Ichiro just twisted to avoid.

By your description, Ichiro would have had to turn into the tag as soon as Wieters caught the ball.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Really? I guess I may have a fundamental misunderstanding of when a tag attempt is actually made. I don't consider the start of a turn towards the runner as a tag attempt, since the runner could be well away from the fielder when he starts that turn. I feel the tag attempt took place when Wieters lunged for Ichiro, and at that point Ichiro just twisted to avoid.

Your point and mine are about a quarter of a second apart. My point was not to hash the difference between that quarter second, but rather to point out to most of those that think he should be out that he was ALREADY 3 feet from that white line before the tag started, and that HIS basepath is established when he's already that far away. I think we agree that this is NOT an example of running out of the baseline (not even close in my opinion)

By your description, Ichiro would have had to turn into the tag as soon as Wieters caught the ball.

I said nothing of the sort, not even close.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I said nothing of the sort, not even close.

My bad. I misunderstood your point.

[JugglingReferee]

Horrible defense by the catcher. Why is he going out to get the ball? Let the ball come to him, and block at least some of the plate.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Horrible defense by the catcher. Why is he going out to get the ball? Let the ball come to him, and block at least some of the plate.

I wonder if Posey's injury from last year (I believe) has anything to do with this. Or, has it just been a growing trend before that?

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

I wonder if Posey's injury from last year (I believe) has anything to do with this. Or, has it just been a growing trend before that?

I have heard that catchers are being trained to not "Buster Posey" it at home plate. It simply isn't worth it.