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Old Fri May 25, 2012, 01:51pm
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Doesn't the play begin once the umpire says play ball?
No. "A PLAY" has a definition.
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Doesn't the play begin once the umpire says play ball?
First off, this was a freakin' MOVIE!!! You are basing a ruling on what you saw in a work of fiction?

Second off, what the pitcher in the movie did was a balk, since he faked a throw to first base while engaged to the pitcher's plate. So, again, it's a MOVIE!!!

The course of the play in 2-22-1 begins when the runner is advancing to or returning from a base during a play. The ball is made live when an umpire calls play, and remains in play until the ball becomes dead again. This does not indicate the start of any particular play.
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First off, this was a freakin' MOVIE!!! You are basing a ruling on what you saw in a work of fiction?

Second off, what the pitcher in the movie did was a balk, since he faked a throw to first base while engaged to the pitcher's plate. So, again, it's a MOVIE!!!

The course of the play in 2-22-1 begins when the runner is advancing to or returning from a base during a play. The ball is made live when an umpire calls play, and remains in play until the ball becomes dead again. This does not indicate the start of any particular play.
Thank you for posting this - it saved me from blowing my freaking top! What idiot would base rules from a movie?
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Say it ain't so!! Lindsay Nielson in Naked Gun ISN'T a training video??
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Say it ain't so!! Lindsay Nielson in Naked Gun ISN'T a training video??
Or his cousin Leslie either!
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Old Fri May 25, 2012, 02:51pm
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bigjohn,
There is a case play that covers the OP, and it certainly doesn't support the notion that defense's actions in the OP would "Change the course of play".

6.2.4 SITUATION E: With R1 on second base, F1 wheels and fakes a throw to second on a pickoff attempt. As R1 dives back to the base, F4 and F6 run into short center field as if chasing an errant throw. R1 seeing this, takes off for third base where he is thrown out by F1. RULING: This is legal and is not considered unsportsmanlike conduct. R1’s base coaches have the responsibility to keep R1 informed.
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Thank you for posting this - it saved me from blowing my freaking top! What idiot would base rules from a movie?
Hey Ozzy...your posts always remind me of Yosemite Sam when he blows his stack! The Looney Tunes Show: Merrie Melodies - "Blow My Stack" - YouTube
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Careful, or someone will send that link to his local umpire association as a training video.
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First off, this was a freakin' MOVIE!!! You are basing a ruling on what you saw in a work of fiction?

Second off, what the pitcher in the movie did was a balk, since he faked a throw to first base while engaged to the pitcher's plate. So, again, it's a MOVIE!!!

The course of the play in 2-22-1 begins when the runner is advancing to or returning from a base during a play. The ball is made live when an umpire calls play, and remains in play until the ball becomes dead again. This does not indicate the start of any particular play.
It's not really fiction. The movie is based on the Miami play. Hell, Miami even had the groundskeepers involved prtetending to get out of the way.
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Old Fri May 25, 2012, 05:59pm
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Just posted the video as a funny. I see a case play now and I am satisfied. I never said it was anything, I am not an official and was just asking questions.
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Or his cousin Leslie either!
Yes, him too.

When I was in California, I once had the opportunity to meet and talk with Robert Hays, who starred with Leslie, and he related that Leslie at times had a very bad flatulence problem. I mention this for no real reason other than it sometimes seems to fit with some posts around here.
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It's not really fiction. The movie is based on the Miami play. Hell, Miami even had the groundskeepers involved prtetending to get out of the way.
Did the pitcher disengage the rubber in the Miami play? I am not familiar with this play is why I ask. The pitcher did not do that in the movie.
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Yes, him too.

When I was in California, I once had the opportunity to meet and talk with Robert Hays, who starred with Leslie, and he related that Leslie at times had a very bad flatulence problem. I mention this for no real reason other than it sometimes seems to fit with some posts around here.
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Doesn't the play begin once the umpire says play ball?
Back to the football board for you - -where you have at least a *chance* of making a valid point.
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It's not really fiction. The movie is based on the Miami play. Hell, Miami even had the groundskeepers involved prtetending to get out of the way.
Here is the "Miami Play" from 30 years ago............There was no groundskeeper involved since it happened at the CWS.

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