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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 08:41am
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HS Trick Play

I saw no fake tags here.
Bases loaded 2 outs. F1 fakes throw to 2nd base. Defense acts like the ball went int CF. R3 runs home and is thrown out at the plate.
I thought it was interesting.
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 09:20am
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It's the old U. of Miami fake pick off. Perfectly legal, well known, still occasionally works.
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I saw a variation of this in one of my games.

R2 on 2B. The catcher came up firing as if he were making a pick-off throw to 2nd base after a pitch. The throw was right at the left shoulder of the pitcher who non-chalantly gloves that throw while the middle infielders dive for the non-existent ball and the outfielders go chasing nothing. Pitcher moves toward third as if to be the backup ... which absolutely sells the play! Meantime R2 and 3B coach buy into the ruse and the coach waves R2 toward 3B ... where the pitcher is waiting for him and makes a tag.

The best part is the team that got duped was giving me trouble all game. Their coach was a real @$$ and one of their players had decided earlier in the game they didn't want to be there anymore.

Ran into the opposing coach later and he told me they practiced that play everyday during workouts, but they had never run it in a game before. As he told me, "Then again, I never came across a coach I wanted to run it on until today."
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 11:39am
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Ran into the opposing coach later and he told me they practiced that play everyday during workouts, but they had never run it in a game before. As he told me, "Then again, I never came across a coach I wanted to run it on until today."
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Great story.
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 12:34pm
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If the defense is yelling get the ball or something like that, does this play become verbal obstruction?
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If the defense is yelling get the ball or something like that, does this play become verbal obstruction?
No. The offense has a responsibility to know the location of the ball.
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 03:04pm
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If the defense is yelling get the ball or something like that, does this play become verbal obstruction?
To make a call of obstruction, I have to ask myself "What are they obstructing?" The offense is not being tricked into stopping their run. They are running completely under their own effort and with no impediment to their progress. They made horrible base-running decisions.
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Verbal obstruction? No such thing. Can't even imagine such a thing.
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 03:55pm
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I believe it is in the FED rule set.
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 04:16pm
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I believe it is in the FED rule set.
Just checked and didn't find that term... where do you see it?
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Just checked and didn't find that term... where do you see it?
2-22-1
ART. 1 . . . Obstruction is an act (intentional or unintentional, as well as physical or verbal) by a fielder, any member of the defensive team or its team personnel that hinders a runner or changes the pattern of play as in 5-1-3 and 8-3-2; or when a catcher or fielder hinders a batter as in 5-1-2b, 8-1-1e, 8-3-1c and 8-3-2. When obstruction occurs, the ball becomes dead at the end of playing action and the umpire has authority to determine which base or bases shall be awarded the runners according to the rule violated (Exceptions 8-4-2c, 8-4-2d).
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 04:39pm
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Casebook 2.22.1 Situation A has a related play and uses the phrase "verbal Obstruction".
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 09:05pm
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This play so well known it has a name, based on the college team to make it famous.
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 10:01pm
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Just checked and didn't find that term... where do you see it?

For example, a defensive player couldn't yell "back" like a first base coach.

That is illegal under FED rules.
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