I had to tell one of my players to lie

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What part?

Peace

The part where he jumped on the catcher for answering a stupid question.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The part where he jumped on the catcher for answering a stupid question.

I do not even know why he asked the question. That is why I was wondering what part did you find unprofessional. Then again this is after all one side of the story, so it might not have gone off totally that way. The entire situation seems a little fishy.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

As PU, I would never ask that question. If somehow it popped out of my mouth and I didn't get an answer I liked, shame on me.

It's like the umpire that gets through a tough situation, has it defused, then between innings takes it upon himself to bring it back up with coach. Then gets offended when coach says something he doesn't like.

[blueump]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not even know why he asked the question. That is why I was wondering what part did you find unprofessional. Then again this is after all one side of the story, so it might not have gone off totally that way. The entire situation seems a little fishy.

Peace

IF the home plate umpire actually asked the question in the first place. More than likely since the catcher had approached the subject in the dugout before taking his place defensively, he probably was the one to bring up the subject behind the dish as well. I very highly doubt the umpire asked the guy that just struck out looking where he thought the pitch was.

Then of course the umpire is going to tell the kid to stop arguing balls and strikes. Especially with the attitude the catcher apparently has ("see if our pitcher gets the same calls"). He's lucky he didn't get ejected right there!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by blueump

IF the home plate umpire actually asked the question in the first place. More than likely since the catcher had approached the subject in the dugout before taking his place defensively, he probably was the one to bring up the subject behind the dish as well. I very highly doubt the umpire asked the guy that just struck out looking where he thought the pitch was.

Then of course the umpire is going to tell the kid to stop arguing balls and strikes. Especially with the attitude the catcher apparently has ("see if our pitcher gets the same calls"). He's lucky he didn't get ejected right there!

That is why I said it sounds fishy. It sounds like if there was a question it was based on something the catcher either wanted to talk about or made some comment that sparked a question. Either way I do not know for sure and anything is possible, but it sounds a little more to me than an umpire just asking a question out of the blue.

Peace

[BigUmp56]

I think there's more to this story than we're being told. And very possibly this coach doesn't have all of the facts from his catcher. My guess is that the catcher must have said something to the PU about the call.

Tim.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by blueump

IF the home plate umpire actually asked the question in the first place. More than likely since the catcher had approached the subject in the dugout before taking his place defensively, he probably was the one to bring up the subject behind the dish as well. I very highly doubt the umpire asked the guy that just struck out looking where he thought the pitch was.

Then of course the umpire is going to tell the kid to stop arguing balls and strikes. Especially with the attitude the catcher apparently has ("see if our pitcher gets the same calls"). He's lucky he didn't get ejected right there!

You don't know all umpires then. There are untrained, unprofessional umpires all over the place, and I would not be surprised if this happened.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

You don't know all umpires then. There are untrained, unprofessional umpires all over the place, and I would not be surprised if this happened.

And I know a lot of players and coaches and they will twist any innocent comment or conversation into something it never was intended to be. I just would not be surprised if this was not as simple as it was made out to be from the beginning of this thread.

Peace

[biggravy]

Originally Posted by zm1283

You don't know all umpires then. There are untrained, unprofessional umpires all over the place, and I would not be surprised if this happened.

Yep. I can think of several guys around here who would say something like that.

I don't do it all the time, but if I ring up a good catcher on a close one, when he comes out I may ask him where he thought it was or just flat out ask him if I missed it. I'm talking about your solid F2 that knows the zone well. I've probably been BS'ing w/ him anyway and I want to keep the mood light, prevent problems. Game management, imo.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not even know why he asked the question. That is why I was wondering what part did you find unprofessional. Then again this is after all one side of the story, so it might not have gone off totally that way. The entire situation seems a little fishy.

Peace

True enough. One wonders whether the catcher initiated the conversation. Either way, responding with that question seems unprofessional, and the response to the answer even worse. If you don't want to know, don't ask and just remind him not to argue BAS.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True enough. One wonders whether the catcher initiated the conversation. Either way, responding with that question seems unprofessional, and the response to the answer even worse. If you don't want to know, don't ask and just remind him not to argue BAS.

Consider this scenario:

"I can't believe you rung me up on that, blue."

"Well, where do you think the pitch was?"

"Way inside."

"Don't argue my strikezone, son."

More believable to me..............

Tim.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Consider this scenario:

"I can't believe you rung me up on that, blue."

"Well, where do you think the pitch was?"

"Way inside."

"Don't argue my strikezone, son."

More believable to me..............

Tim.

Considering what F2 said as he left the dugout, my guess is that the first sentence was along the lines of:
"I hope my pitcher gets that pitch too."

[MikeStrybel]

As most here know, I crossed over to the dark side a few years ago and coach my son's ball team in addition to umpiring a crazy Spring schedule. I never liked it when a coach would say, "I need that strike too." when I called it on one of his batters. I swore I would never do it. I then did just that. It is pretty hard not to see a different strike zone when you are in a coach's box. I;m sure I'll do it again too. (sigh)

I don't believe I have ever asked a catcher what he thought of my calls when he was batting. I may have asked him what was up after one of his teammates was rung up and the bench was louder than normal. Usually, catchers at my level are smarter than I would have been at their age. Most know that it's best to keep me happy. I try to do the same with them.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Consider this scenario:

"I can't believe you rung me up on that, blue."

"Well, where do you think the pitch was?"

"Way inside."

"Don't argue my strikezone, son."

More believable to me..............

Tim.

From A League of Their Own.

"That pitch might been a ball yesterday. It might be a ball tomorrow. But, today it's a strike."

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Consider this scenario:

"I can't believe you rung me up on that, blue."

"Well, where do you think the pitch was?"

"Way inside."

"Don't argue my strikezone, son."

More believable to me..............

Tim.

Instead of asking that, I would reply with "I can believe it, because I had it as a strike".