Joe West ejects Davey Johnson

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Easy now, fellas. Remember, I'm just talking about MLB here. Not what we do. If a guy turns around says $#!+ to me, yeah, he's getting run. But it's different at that level. You let him have his say, and as long as he's moving on, you don't chase him with your mask off. That's the way most handle it.

But you got on basketball officials about a week ago for not putting up with crap and now you are upset that a manager is yelling at someone not in a discussion and he gets tossed as a result. At least be consistent that is all.

Peace

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But you got on basketball officials about a week ago for not putting up with crap and now you are upset that a manager is yelling at someone not in a discussion and he gets tossed as a result. At least be consistent that is all.

Peace

Jeff,

I think Kyle was on the other side of that discussion, wondering why basketball officials appear to him to be taking too much crap.

That make his opinions pretty consistent.


Tim.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Jeff,

I think Kyle was on the other side of that discussion, wondering why basketball officials appear to him to be taking too much crap.

That make his opinions pretty consistent.


Tim.

I do not think he understands basketball officiating to be honest. So his comments now are to suggest that West should just sit there and get yelled at and have a coach gesturing at him all day long. Based on his comments about basketball officials, they should not take that crap at all. Now he is getting on a guy for not putting up with that crap and he is being critical. So which is it? Either it is OK to get yelled at from a distance or it is not? His critique was that basketball officials should be dumping coaches for yelling at them. West was yelled at, he dumped the guy.

Peace

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think he understands basketball officiating to be honest. So his comments now are to suggest that West should just sit there and get yelled at and have a coach gesturing at him all day long. Based on his comments about basketball officials, they should not take that crap at all. Now he is getting on a guy for not putting up with that crap and he is being critical. So which is it? Either it is OK to get yelled at from a distance or it is not? His critique was that basketball officials should be dumping coaches for yelling at them. West was yelled at, he dumped the guy.

Peace

I hear you, Jeff. But I agree with Kyle (with the caveat that I don't know exactly what was said), that JW did appear to be overstepping by running this guy from such a distance. I thought the PU should have given him the heave-ho.

Tim.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I hear you, Jeff. But I agree with Kyle (with the caveat that I don't know exactly what said), that JW did appear to be overstepping by running this guy from such a distance. I thought the PU should have given him the heave-ho.

Tim.

That is fine if you agree, but he claimed that basketball officials just take crap and do nothing about it. Now he wants a manager that is yelling at an umpire and that umpire should just ignore or walk away. You start yelling at me I do not care what distance you are doing it. I have the right to take action. I also do not know what was said, but my name comes up and we will have a problem.

Peace

[kylejt]

There's a little disconnect here, guys.

My real beef was at about 9:30 in that video. PU rings up the BR on an outside pitch. BR says something to the PU, and walks off. THEN the PU pulls his mask off, follows the batter toward the dugout, and fires back at him. No need for that, IMO.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Joe West is not everyone's cup of vodka. However, he has a ton of MLB experience, and has his own style, and it rubs people the wrong way. His mechanics are lazy and plodding, and he doesn't take any crap, and this seems to bother some folks. He has every right to eject anyone for gesturing and yelling in his direction. As has been said, the PU decided not to take action, thereby leaving it all up to Joe to man up and throw Johnson out. Sure, the PU is not supposed to chase the offender for just "having his say," but what exactly was said? If it was something offensive, then I'm going to chase and run the guy myself. If I have to take my mask off to deal with somebody, they are getting run. Period.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I hear you, Jeff. But I agree with Kyle (with the caveat that I don't know exactly what was said), that JW did appear to be overstepping by running this guy from such a distance. I thought the PU should have given him the heave-ho.

Tim.

If I'm the PU and a manager/coach directs a gesture at one of my more experienced partners like this and I try to step in and take care of business, I would probably be seen as stepping on his toes and trying to handle his business for him. The manager directed his gesture at Joe, so Joe dumped him.

There are a few things that West does that aren't advisable at any other level, but he gets a bad rap overall. He handled this just fine.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by zm1283

If I'm the PU and a manager/coach directs a gesture at one of my more experienced partners like this and I try to step in and take care of business, I would probably be seen as stepping on his toes and trying to handle his business for him. The manager directed his gesture at Joe, so Joe dumped him.

There are a few things that West does that aren't advisable at any other level, but he gets a bad rap overall. He handled this just fine.

I guess I don't see grabbing his ear and pointing toward the dugout to imply that he could hear the HBP from there reason enough to eject a manager at the MLB level.

Tim.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I guess I don't see grabbing his ear and pointing toward the dugout to imply that he could hear the HBP from there reason enough to eject a manager at the MLB level.

Are you going on something other than the two linked videos? Both of those videos have obviously had portions cut out, so we can't tell from them exactly what the manager did to get run.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think he understands basketball officiating to be honest. So his comments now are to suggest that West should just sit there and get yelled at and have a coach gesturing at him all day long. Based on his comments about basketball officials, they should not take that crap at all. Now he is getting on a guy for not putting up with that crap and he is being critical. So which is it? Either it is OK to get yelled at from a distance or it is not? His critique was that basketball officials should be dumping coaches for yelling at them. West was yelled at, he dumped the guy.

Peace

Good morning Jeff, I just want to ask this: We are working together and you've had a few coin flip calls that go against the same team. Late in the game, I have a banger at the dish that is an out against his team. He comes out and is upset at my call. While questioning it, he points to you a few times and says, "I expect calls like that from him but not you, Blue." Do you dump him?

Just asking.

[JRutledge]

If a coach starts yelling at me then he has made me apart of the conversation. If I feel so inclined then yes I would have no problem dumping a coach.

Peace

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If a coach starts yelling at me then he has made me apart of the conversation. If I feel so inclined then yes I would have no problem dumping a coach.

Peace

That is not what I asked.

[JRutledge]

Not sure what you want to know Mike. Because if you are talking to a coach and he is talking to you I would not be in the conversation as a general rule. The minute he puts me in it, I have a say. A lot of this would also depend on the pre-game we have and the philosophy we agreed upon before the game. This is something I always want to talk about when talking with partners.

Peace

[asdf]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Good morning Jeff, I just want to ask this: We are working together and you've had a few coin flip calls that go against the same team. Late in the game, I have a banger at the dish that is an out against his team. He comes out and is upset at my call. While questioning it, he points to you a few times and says, "I expect calls like that from him but not you, Blue." Do you dump him?

Just asking.

He shouldn't have to. You should have taken care of it first.