Joe West ejects Davey Johnson

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think he understands basketball officiating to be honest. So his comments now are to suggest that West should just sit there and get yelled at and have a coach gesturing at him all day long. Based on his comments about basketball officials, they should not take that crap at all. Now he is getting on a guy for not putting up with that crap and he is being critical. So which is it? Either it is OK to get yelled at from a distance or it is not? His critique was that basketball officials should be dumping coaches for yelling at them. West was yelled at, he dumped the guy.

Peace

I hear you, Jeff. But I agree with Kyle (with the caveat that I don't know exactly what was said), that JW did appear to be overstepping by running this guy from such a distance. I thought the PU should have given him the heave-ho.

Tim.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I hear you, Jeff. But I agree with Kyle (with the caveat that I don't know exactly what said), that JW did appear to be overstepping by running this guy from such a distance. I thought the PU should have given him the heave-ho.

Tim.

That is fine if you agree, but he claimed that basketball officials just take crap and do nothing about it. Now he wants a manager that is yelling at an umpire and that umpire should just ignore or walk away. You start yelling at me I do not care what distance you are doing it. I have the right to take action. I also do not know what was said, but my name comes up and we will have a problem.

Peace

[kylejt]

There's a little disconnect here, guys.

My real beef was at about 9:30 in that video. PU rings up the BR on an outside pitch. BR says something to the PU, and walks off. THEN the PU pulls his mask off, follows the batter toward the dugout, and fires back at him. No need for that, IMO.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Joe West is not everyone's cup of vodka. However, he has a ton of MLB experience, and has his own style, and it rubs people the wrong way. His mechanics are lazy and plodding, and he doesn't take any crap, and this seems to bother some folks. He has every right to eject anyone for gesturing and yelling in his direction. As has been said, the PU decided not to take action, thereby leaving it all up to Joe to man up and throw Johnson out. Sure, the PU is not supposed to chase the offender for just "having his say," but what exactly was said? If it was something offensive, then I'm going to chase and run the guy myself. If I have to take my mask off to deal with somebody, they are getting run. Period.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I hear you, Jeff. But I agree with Kyle (with the caveat that I don't know exactly what was said), that JW did appear to be overstepping by running this guy from such a distance. I thought the PU should have given him the heave-ho.

Tim.

If I'm the PU and a manager/coach directs a gesture at one of my more experienced partners like this and I try to step in and take care of business, I would probably be seen as stepping on his toes and trying to handle his business for him. The manager directed his gesture at Joe, so Joe dumped him.

There are a few things that West does that aren't advisable at any other level, but he gets a bad rap overall. He handled this just fine.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by zm1283

If I'm the PU and a manager/coach directs a gesture at one of my more experienced partners like this and I try to step in and take care of business, I would probably be seen as stepping on his toes and trying to handle his business for him. The manager directed his gesture at Joe, so Joe dumped him.

There are a few things that West does that aren't advisable at any other level, but he gets a bad rap overall. He handled this just fine.

I guess I don't see grabbing his ear and pointing toward the dugout to imply that he could hear the HBP from there reason enough to eject a manager at the MLB level.

Tim.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I guess I don't see grabbing his ear and pointing toward the dugout to imply that he could hear the HBP from there reason enough to eject a manager at the MLB level.

Are you going on something other than the two linked videos? Both of those videos have obviously had portions cut out, so we can't tell from them exactly what the manager did to get run.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by celebur

Are you going on something other than the two linked videos? Both of those videos have obviously had portions cut out, so we can't tell from them exactly what the manager did to get run.

My opinion is based on what's shown here in this thread. I thought I had mentioned earlier in the thread that there was a caveat to my opinion, which is the lack of knowledge of exactly what was said.

Tim.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

My opinion is based on what's shown here in this thread. I thought I had mentioned earlier in the thread that there was a caveat to my opinion, which is the lack of knowledge of exactly what was said.

Tim.

Yes, you mentioned a caveat about not knowing exactly what was said, but my point is that both videos have cuts, so we don't even know exactly what happened. That means we can't really determine why West ejected Johnson. We weren't shown everything. If there is an uncut video, we might get more.