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Old Sat Aug 06, 2011, 02:17pm
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Nicasio broken neck

Rockies' Juan Nicasio has surgery to repair broken neck - The Denver Post

There had been a discussion on when to call time for an injured player. On replay, the ball bounded toward the on deck area and was fielded by the catcher and the runner made it easily to first. It looked like he was rendered immediate attention, with no delay from the course of play. Horrific injury, one wonders if he'll ever pitch again after a C-1 fracture/repair.

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Old Sat Aug 06, 2011, 02:49pm
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Rockies' Juan Nicasio has surgery to repair broken neck - The Denver Post

There had been a discussion on when to call time for an injured player. On replay, the ball bounded toward the on deck area and was fielded by the catcher and the runner made it easily to first. It looked like he was rendered immediate attention, with no delay from the course of play. Horrific injury, one wonders if he'll ever pitch again after a C-1 fracture/repair.
I notice that the umpires, appropriately, called time at the end of play.
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Old Sat Aug 06, 2011, 02:54pm
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The first trainers / etc to leave the dugout didn't do so until the runner neared (or was at) first. That's as far as he was going to go on that play, in MLB. So, time was called (after the runner reached first, after the trainer was on the field).

As I've said, in upper level baseball, the players will take the "value" of the hit, and time will be called and no one will be penalized for starting out of the dugout a step or two early (and maybe farther if they don't interfere with play).
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Old Sat Aug 06, 2011, 03:17pm
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I notice that the umpires, appropriately, called time at the end of play.
Quite true. The first I instinct of the catcher was to field the ball and F3 to cover the bag. PU seemed to have his attention focused on the injured player.
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Old Sat Aug 06, 2011, 07:02pm
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Last time someone in pro baseball got a high-profile devastating injury after being struck in the neck with a batted ball, helmets were mandated for those occupying that position.

I wonder if they'll overreact again.
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Two years ago, Mark, Jr., and I were umpiring a boys' 12U game (80 ft bases) that played under OBR. Junior was the PU and I was the BU. The Batter hit a line shot back to the Pitcher that hit him on his forehead bounced into foul territory between HP and 3B on the fly. F1 hit the ground before the ball hit the ground in foul territory. We both called Time simultaneously and awarded all of the Runners one base. IMHO it really doesn't matter what age the players are, in this type play, play should be stopped immediately.

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That looks terrible.

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Old Sat Aug 06, 2011, 07:39pm
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Two years ago, Mark, Jr., and I were umpiring a boys' 12U game (80 ft bases) that played under OBR. Junior was the PU and I was the BU. The Batter hit a line shot back to the Pitcher that hit him on his forehead bounced into foul territory between HP and 3B on the fly. F1 hit the ground before the ball hit the ground in foul territory. We both called Time simultaneously and awarded all of the Runners one base. IMHO it really doesn't matter what age the players are, in this type play, play should be stopped immediately.

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By the replay, he was struck at :09, batter reached first at :13 and a trainer was at his side at :19, ten seconds after he went down. It's hard to see how they could have gotten there quicker. If his larynx was crushed and he needed an emergency tracheostomy, it probably would have been done more quickly there than on any Little League field. I agree with your comment in principle, and most certainly at amateur levels. It is just hard to see how it would help much at the MLB level. In this case, it might have gained 3 or 4 seconds. BU the EMT personnel are at least 5 to 10 minutes closer.
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Old Sat Aug 06, 2011, 08:59pm
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An article says the C-1 fracture (the one that happens when diving into a shallow pool) probably happened when he dropped right down on top of his head. The impact of the ball caused a skull fracture, but that was the lesser injury.
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Old Sat Aug 06, 2011, 10:09pm
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To the people who think MLB might overreact, what could MLB do in this case? Mandate hard helmets for F1's?

Anything else dramatically changes the game forever, right?
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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 03:13pm
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Last time someone in pro baseball got a high-profile devastating injury after being struck in the neck with a batted ball, helmets were mandated for those occupying that position.

I wonder if they'll overreact again.
Are you referring to base coaches? I have always thought that was a good decision.

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Old Mon Aug 08, 2011, 07:45am
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Are you referring to base coaches? I have always thought that was a good decision.
The helmets being worn would not have prevented the injury that led to the requirement to wear helmets.
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Old Mon Aug 08, 2011, 10:48am
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By the replay, he was struck at :09, batter reached first at :13 and a trainer was at his side at :19, ten seconds after he went down. It's hard to see how they could have gotten there quicker. If his larynx was crushed and he needed an emergency tracheostomy, it probably would have been done more quickly there than on any Little League field. I agree with your comment in principle, and most certainly at amateur levels. It is just hard to see how it would help much at the MLB level. In this case, it might have gained 3 or 4 seconds. BU the EMT personnel are at least 5 to 10 minutes closer.
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Old Mon Aug 08, 2011, 02:34pm
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The helmets being worn would not have prevented the injury that led to the requirement to wear helmets.
I was being a tad sarcastic, as a helmet would not have helped Lasorda either. Ha. But, I was under the impression that a single-A coach was hit in the head by a foul a few years back. Is this why they now wear them in A - MLB?
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