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Failure to Retouch Appeal
Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | Must C Curious: Mets score a run on umps' ruling - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
How many appeals were made and does the order matter?
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(rendering the second question unnecessary). I can't even fathom what is indicating to you that there might have been more than 1 appeal. There's only 1 thing to appeal here.
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Mon Jun 13, 2011, 02:31pm
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In this case doesn't matter as long as R3 was never ruled out. Time play run scores. Good call even though he may never have touched 2nd in the first place, he passed it, and therefore much retouch on his last time by.
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Mon Jun 13, 2011, 02:49pm
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And on the time play, this run score because R3 crosses the plate before R1 touches first for the last time, correct? If R1 had retouched 1st before R3 crosses home, the run would not have counted. Just making sure!
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Mon Jun 13, 2011, 02:59pm
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On a timing play, the out occurs when the out occurs. When or where R1 / R3 were with respect to each other is immaterial. Where R3 was when R1 was appealed and called out is what matters.
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Mon Jun 13, 2011, 03:18pm
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Although I never want to support SAump in any way at any time I can see where his question comes from. It appears just after the run scores that the catcher looks like he throws the ball to FIRST BASE. Now we have no idea if they tried to appeal pagan at first or not . . . but I can see where the question came from.
I feel like a I need a long shower. T
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Mon Jun 13, 2011, 04:17pm
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They threw to first because that's where Pagan was standing - at which point they tagged him, pointing at 2nd. Never saw on camera which umpire actually made the out call - but I'm assuming U2, especially since that's who Pagan went to discuss the call with between innings.
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Mon Jun 13, 2011, 06:54pm
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Neighborhood Play?
I posted the video here showing that Pagan did not pass 2nd base. The runner's actions contribute to the ruling that he failed to retouch 2B before going back to 1B. The Pirates benefit from the ruling.
JR pg 72 EG: R1, one out, hit and run. A fly is batted to left-center field and the ball is caught. R1 touches second while advancing past it, but misses second while returning to first: an appeal of second base is upheld, R1 is out.
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The run should never never come off the board, without approval from NY's instant replay and local MLB supervisors. This has to stop.
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Tue Jun 14, 2011, 07:39am
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