Who becomes coach?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

I responded to Rich's comment that ejecting a coach for bad behavior is simple. It is not. His statement was all encompassing and reality isn't.

Do you eject a player who curses when he is injured, say a batter is popped by a fastball in the ribs and utters a curse too?

Rich was speaking of consequences for a coach acting like a rat an your example, in disagreement, regards a player swearing after getting hit in the ribs.

Rich is right in his example, you are right in yours. They are not, however, related.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Rich was speaking of consequences for a coach acting like a rat an your example, in disagreement, regards a player swearing after getting hit in the ribs.

Rich is right in his example, you are right in yours. They are not, however, related.

Sure they are. Discretion is involved in determining umpire response to bad behavior. I have seen umpires eject players who cursed when injured.

If a coach curses because his pitcher just balked, I may not hear it. If he curses at me in response to a call, I probably will. I have heard the f-bomb in games and it doesn't bother me if it is internalized by a participant. i.e. bases loaded and a gapper breaks open a tie. The shortstop gets the ball in from the outfield and mutters it. I don't dump him. On the other hand, I have seen umpires eject players and coaches for saying "Jesus Christ!" or "God damn it." Eject how you see fit. I learned to differentiate between the important and trivial long ago. I haven't ejected a coach or player this year but I like to think that has more to do with my calls being correct than my tolerance.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Sure they are. Discretion is involved in determining umpire response to bad behavior. I have seen umpires eject players who cursed when injured.

Again, that has nothing to do with RichMSN's post to which you responded. Can you please stay on topic with a response?

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Again, that has nothing to do with RichMSN's post to which you responded. Can you please stay on topic with a response?

I am sorry that an evolving thread confuses you.

High school rules allow for you to restrict a coach to the dugout for a reason. I see no need to repeat why that may be a better option for some umpires. If you feel compelled to eject any coach who frustrates you, go ahead.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

I am sorry that an evolving thread confuses you.

High school rules allow for you to restrict a coach to the dugout for a reason. I see no need to repeat why that may be a better option for some umpires. If you feel compelled to eject any coach who frustrates you, go ahead.

Evolving threads are not the issue. Your habit of trying to appear superior by repositioning the posts and position of others, is.

For example, when did I say anything about feeling compelled to eject anyone? When did I say I was frustrated by anone? Your posts come close as close to lying as any I've seen.

If you can't honestly respond to my posts, then please don't respond at all.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Evolving threads are not the issue. Your habit of trying to appear superior by repositioning the posts and position of others, is.

For example, when did I say anything about feeling compelled to eject anyone? When did I say I was frustrated by anone? Your posts come close as close to lying as any I've seen.

If you can't honestly respond to my posts, then please don't respond at all.

Ugggh. You seem to deem anyone who doesn't simply write "+1" as being superior. Rich and Andrew wrote that coaches who cross the line deserve what they get. I don't disagree. I offered that what some coaches should get is a restriction to the dugout or simply ignored. I cited the NFHS rule that allows for this. I provided an interp from the Illinois UIC. Some of us believe that trying to extinguish fires is better than adding to them. Discretion is a learned skill. You seem to be enamored with Jim Evans. He has a bunch of videos that show him engaged in heated antics with coaches that he didn't eject. He used discretion and maturity to overcome their nonsense. Maybe his history can convince you to what I cannot.

Finally, please don't pretend I am lying. I quote the post and respond to it. The thread evolved and you want to stay static. When I offer personal experience that shows my mistakes that is hardly acting superior. You complained when I stated opinions without offering a ruling. I cited 3-3-1g Penalty long ago. Please make up your mind. The NFHS states that coaches who use "profanity, intimidating tactics, remarks reflecting unfavorably upon another person or taunting or baiting" and "charge an umpire" can be restricted to the dugout. Argue with their 'lies' if you feel the need. They wrote them for all to read. (Page 31)

Eject if you want. Restrict if you want. Tim C. gave the best advice so far, make your calls and let the powers that be decide what happens. Around here, a coach who is restricted to the dugout will be appreciative for not getting called on the carpet. I haven't had the need to restrict a coach to the dugout or eject one in a long time. Colleagues who have relate that those dumped seem to harbor season long grudges. That is baggage most don't want. The Illinois UIC prefers it that way too.

[MrUmpire]

There you go again, Michael, pretending you know something you don't.

The only thing you can be certain of regarding who I consider superior is that it isn't you. And now that I've learned how Illinois selects, "state clinicians", and how many they select, it's clear being superior is not a requirement.

You'd have made a great case study before my retirement, but God know I don't have the time to deal with you now.

As you may have noticed, I'm not the only one on to you. Just the loudest. but that changes tonight. I've never suffered fools well, so, good bye Michael, have a great time on the ignore list. Say hi to STB for me.

As always feel free to have the last word...I know how important that is to you.. Go ahead, no one will mind. It's expected.

[yawetag]

If you want to restrict a coach, that's definitely your choice. My stance, however, is that you shouldn't make that choice on whether or not you missed the call. If you feel a coach's actions are worthy of an ejection, then eject; if they're worthy of a restriction, then restrict; if not, then do nothing.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

Eject if you want. Restrict if you want. Tim C. gave the best advice so far, make your calls and let the powers that be decide what happens. Around here, a coach who is restricted to the dugout will be appreciative for not getting called on the carpet. I haven't had the need to restrict a coach to the dugout or eject one in a long time. Colleagues who have relate that those dumped seem to harbor season long grudges. That is baggage most don't want. The Illinois UIC prefers it that way too.

You seem to be one of those people who, when confronted with 99 people telling you the sky is blue, insist the sky is grey because that's what they initially said, and don't bother to actually look at the sky. 99 people tell you that what you are espousing is bad umpiring (and not just on this thread), yet in your mind it's the 99 that are insane. And you call US arrogant? Yeah, ok.

[ozzy6900]

I agree with allowing a little more jawing if I blew a call, but once that coach threw the water bucket, you should have made him gone! I don't care what the circumstances are, throwing objects because you are mad equals a bye-bye!

[MikeStrybel]

Ozzy, in retrospect, I probably would have been a bit more aggressive in handling the coach. A number of fellow umpires were there and wondered why I let him behave like a child in the dugout. When I admitted the kicked call a few veterans nodded knowingly. One of them went so far as to say that the coach wasn't halting the game by destroying his gear so he would have played on and ignored the nonsense. I wasn't at that point of bliss just yet.

Ever had a kicked call gnaw at you? A short memory is important but I used that experience as a valuable lesson. Since then I work hard to give each pitch, play and game the attention it deserves. Yeah, I still miss some but it is not from a lack of effort. I try to treat each game as if it is Game 7. That is the advice I was given a long time ago. I'm still working at it. Take care.