NCAA Contact Rule

[MikeStrybel]

The answer is b according to the NCAA.

They cite 8-7a - Penalty

I understand that part of the ruling. However, the next part of the rule and penalty discuss what to do if the act is considered flagrant and malicious. It is difficult to see how a player veers away from the open part of the plate, makes deliberate contact with the fielder in an attempt to dislodge the ball and that does not qualify as flagrant. This is a crazy game we officiate, guys. Any guesses how often this call gets kicked this year?

Once again, is there a definition of flagrant/malicious contact in NCAA ball? Not an opinion, but an actual definition. Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

The answer is b according to the NCAA.

They cite 8-7a - Penalty

I understand that part of the ruling. However, the next part of the rule and penalty discuss what to do if the act is considered flagrant and malicious. It is difficult to see how a player veers away from the open part of the plate, makes deliberate contact with the fielder in an attempt to dislodge the ball and that does not qualify as flagrant. This is a crazy game we officiate, guys. Any guesses how often this call gets kicked this year?

Once again, is there a definition of flagrant/malicious contact in NCAA ball? Not an opinion, but an actual definition. Thanks.

There is a definition of flagrant -- it means malicious. Beyond that, you'll have to go to the dictionary.

[JJ]

According to Dictionary.com
"What is malicious intent? It means that whatever action you took was done with the clear intent to cause harm, damage, injury, or death."

That a bit more severe than trying to dislodge the ball. We get to decide which act the runner is trying to commit, and our penalty is meted out accordingly.

JJ

[johnnyg08]

The rule is very clear now. Contact above the waist, you're done for the day unless it's unavoidable...

On another note, can somebody please post the College test and the answers?

I think they also released the entire test question bank. If you can PM me with that, I'd appreciate it.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

The rule is very clear now. Contact above the waist, you're done for the day unless it's unavoidable...

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Read it carefully. Contact above the waist still requirea a judgment that it was malicious for an ejection.

[johnnyg08]

Hmmm...thanks Rich. The league I umpire only uses the college collision rule at home plate. Certainly a runner that comes in standing up and walks into the tag has created contact above the waist, but is certainly not going to be ejected. After reading your post, I will certainly read it again...but perhaps I didn't write it as concisely as I should have.

[MikeStrybel]

I may be wrong but the CBUA brief Fetcheit sent out stated that the test review is available for the questions we answered. The full test is also available but you have to take it - the score doesn't count, so it is for knowledge and gratification. The answers to that are either immediately available when thes test is scored or will be later. I'm renovating a house so I have little time for taking the whole test right now. The honey-do list is getting lengthy!

JJ - I know what malicious means. I simply was looking for NCAA support to determine proper penalty. I've seen enough plays over the years to usually know when someone is being a thug versus good ol' hardnosed baseball. The question I posed was as much for my knowledge as to help others. Thanks to Rich, Bob and you.

Cubs play Sunday...101 and counting.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Hmmm...thanks Rich. The league I umpire only uses the college collision rule at home plate. Certainly a runner that comes in standing up and walks into the tag has created contact above the waist, but is certainly not going to be ejected. After reading your post, I will certainly read it again...but perhaps I didn't write it as concisely as I should have.

Contact above the waist initiated by the runner is proof of intent to dislodge thus an out even if the ball is dropped. An ejection happens only if judged malicious on top of that.