the running line hitter-runner

[Spizzico]

but the OBR clarify that is interference only if the batter-runner INT with the taking of first baseman, not with the shot of the catcher....ex: the assistance of Catcher hit the body of batter-runner outside the line....is INT because that INT with the taking of first baseman.....is right???

[johnnyg08]

That's how the rule reads, yes.

[timeout]

We have a coach here that teaches his players to run inside the running lane on ground balls to the infield. Now, a throw from the F5 (charging in), which F3 has to reach for (up the foul line), causes either a hit runner or a minor collision (with F3's mitt), just before B1 reaches the base. (B1 is/was clearly out of the running lane leading up to the base.
Would we have anything in iether fed, obr or mlb?

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Fixed it for ya.

Spizzico: merely stepping outside the lane is nothing until it creates a problem for the defense making a play at first base.

I fixed it for you.. read the rules, it does not say anything about a quality throw..LOL dont read into the rule so much.

Rule 6.05k
In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is
being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three-foot line, or
inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing
interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is
dead; except that he may run outside (to the right of) the three-foot line or inside (to
the left of) the foul line to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball;

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

I fixed it for you.. read the rules, it does not say anything about a quality throw..LOL dont read into the rule so much.

Rule 6.05k
In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is
being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three-foot line, or
inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing
interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is
dead; except that he may run outside (to the right of) the three-foot line or inside (to
the left of) the foul line to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball;

It is derived. You can't interfere with the fielder taking the throw if it wasn't possible to take the throw.


Same as no pass interference in American football if the pass is uncatchable.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

I fixed it for you.. read the rules, it does not say anything about a quality throw..LOL dont read into the rule so much.

LOL, read the interps.

[Umpmazza]

Originally Posted by mbyron

LOL, read the interps.

I cant seem to find that in the OBR rule book.. can you please provide....I see the comment, but that didnt talk about a "quality throw.."

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Umpmazza

I cant seem to find that in the OBR rule book.. can you please provide....I see the comment, but that didnt talk about a "quality throw.."

Sure, for one easy-to-use reference see post #36. JEA and PBUC provide others and are more authoritative for pro ball.

[Spizzico]

What does it mean? the rule is the rule, But is not complete, for this reason you resort to interpretations of the Rules ... in Italy we do not, we use only the OBR
the concept of "quality throw" is an interpretation of OBR? it is right that I should consider? thanks for the education!

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Spizzico

What does it mean? the rule is the rule, But is not complete, for this reason you resort to interpretations of the Rules ... in Italy we do not, we use only the OBR
the concept of "quality throw" is an interpretation of OBR? it is right that I should consider? thanks for the education!

Ci. Ci.

[Spizzico]

??????

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Spizzico

What does it mean? the rule is the rule, But is not complete, for this reason you resort to interpretations of the Rules ... in Italy we do not, we use only the OBR
the concept of "quality throw" is an interpretation of OBR? it is right that I should consider? thanks for the education!

That's right. You might consider the very illuminating The Rules of Professional Baseball, which you can purchase at Rules of Baseball.com. Good balance of content and comprehensiveness.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Spizzico

What does it mean? the rule is the rule, But is not complete, for this reason you resort to interpretations of the Rules ... in Italy we do not, we use only the OBR
the concept of "quality throw" is an interpretation of OBR? it is right that I should consider? thanks for the education!

The Official Baseball Rules (OBR) were written throughout the 19th & 20th Century. As a matter of fact, the last major rule change was in 1973 - American League DH Rule was added as an experiment - 38 years later, the "experiment" is still going on! You can view the historical side of the rules at this link >>>> Baseball Almanac - Rules History.

The rules are vague and some even contradict each other. To properly umpire, you need to understand the interpretation of the rules. In scenario, the quality of the throw is important because otherwise, the catcher could simply throw the ball away or directly at the batter/runner and get the out. (In our High School rules (Federation Rules) the quality of the throw is not a consideration. As long as there is a throw, and the batter/runner is not in the land, interference may be called.) This rule is a good example of how the OBR is open ended and vague.