batting out of order 2

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by WilliamK

Hi,
This did'nt happen in my game but another umpire told me it happened in his game. OBR rules
Batters 1 and 3 get reversed
1) B1 gets on base
2) B2 gets on base
3) B3 comes to plate no pitch thrown yet
then scorekeeper raises the question that B1 and B3 are switched

How would you get this cleaned up?
or
Since B2 made B1 legal,does the order stay as is?

I tried to find a scenario in the BOO section of the rule book but I can't really find anything to cover this BOO.

WilliamK

The nomenclature here is messy. Assuming you meant the following... Proper lineup is Abel, Baker, Charlie, Daffy, Ed...

Charlie bats (when Abel should have) and gets on base.
Baker bats and gets on base. Once a pitch was thrown to Baker, Charlie is legal... making the proper batter right now Daffy.
Abel comes to the plate - an appeal on BOO right now would have Daffy out for not batting, and Ed up to bat next.

Although the actual correct answer here was supplied by kyle. Unless this is appealed BY A COACH, play on. Scorekeepers are fans and bystanders. If Abel is pitched to, Baker becomes legal and assuming Charlie is still on base, Daffy is brought to the plate.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

The nomenclature here is messy. Assuming you meant the following... Proper lineup is Abel, Baker, Charlie, Daffy, Ed...

Charlie bats (when Abel should have) and gets on base.
Baker bats and gets on base. Once a pitch was thrown to Baker, Charlie is legal... making the proper batter right now Daffy.
Abel comes to the plate - an appeal on BOO right now would have Daffy out for not batting, and Ed up to bat next.

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No. If the appeal is while Abel is at the plate you just replace him with Daffy who assumes the count.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

No. If the appeal is while Abel is at the plate you just replace him with Daffy who assumes the count.

Not before Abel has taken a pitch, which is what I was referring to (as was the OP).

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Not before Abel has taken a pitch, which is what I was referring to (as was the OP).

I guess I don't grasp your point. Daffy has become the proper batter. Therefore as long as he's put up to bat at any time before Abel or Charlie (or Smith for that matter) completes the current slot's AB things are Kosher. mbyron made the same point.

[ManInBlue]

Rich,

I think the issue is that Baker was now BOO because Charlie is now legal. An appeal prior to a pitch to Abel would have Danny called out (b/c of Baker's BOO) and Ed up to bat - Baker removed from the bases, Charlie returned to his previous base. Abel doesn't come into the play (until a pitch is delivered to him).

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

Rich,

I think the issue is that Baker was now BOO because Charlie is now legal. An appeal prior to a pitch to Abel would have Danny called out (b/c of Baker's BOO) and Ed up to bat - Baker removed from the bases, Charlie returned to his previous base. Abel doesn't come into the play (until a pitch is delivered to him).

Got what you meant now.

The Order was A, B, C, D, E, F

They batted C, B and both got on base. But as the pitch to B legitimized C, D was the real proper batter due up, not B.

If you appeal immediately, D (the proper batter) is out, B is removed from the bases, C returns, E should be up.

If A goes to the plate and a pitch is delivered, then B is legitimized, C should be up but he's on base, so D is up. And because the at bat isn't completed you just send him up with the count A had before the appeal.

AND the real order is still A, B, C, D, E etc. and you have to follow it next time through.

[BSUmp16]

And in FED all outs stand (I get it!)

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

And in FED all outs stand (I get it!)

Gotta love it.

[GoodwillRef]

Wow, where do all of you work that we have two batting out of order posts in a week. I may have had this twice in 20 years of umpiring.