Forfeit of Game

[PeteBooth]

I agree with Bob.

As umpires it's not a good idea to answer questions about Forfitures player / coach punishment etc as that is left up to the leagues to enforce.

I live in NY and during the HS season if we toss a player/coach they MUST sit out the next game, HOWEVER, if ANY of the coaches says

"Pete can my player play in the next game, etc."

I simply say "Check with your AD". After the game I simply write up a brief report of the EJ and E-mail it in to my assignor who forwards it to the AD. I do NOT get involved with punsihments replaying of games etc.

As Bob said if we toss a coach and he refuses to leave we as umpires leave, send in a report and it's up to the league to determine if the game is replayed or not.

Pete Booth

[ozzy6900]

Umpires never forfeit a game, the offender does.

In amateur games, I always advise the umpires if the coach will not leave, quietly leave the field. The league will sort out the mess. Never give any ultimatums and no matter what the rules say, never forfeit a game. Leagues are notorious for not backing the umpires and coaches and parents can gang up on a pair of umpires. It isn't worth the trouble. Let the league deal with it.

[johnnyg08]

Here's a question related this...how many of you get paid before the game begins?

Right now, we're paid at the end of the game because many of the teams pay us with money they've earned from the gate. I would like to change that precedent, but it's tough to argue when they say they're using that day's gate money which obviously hasn't been collected by the time we have to be on the field.

What are some ways to negotiate around this? Thanks.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Here's a question related this...how many of you get paid before the game begins?

During the summer, my organization gets paid before the game. Depending on the league, either the home coach has all of it, or the home and away coach split it.

If you're working for the league (not an organization contracted to the league), it's going to be tough to change what's being done. If it's a contract, your organization can get the contract changed to state money is paid up-front.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Here's a question related this...how many of you get paid before the game begins?

Right now, we're paid at the end of the game because many of the teams pay us with money they've earned from the gate. I would like to change that precedent, but it's tough to argue when they say they're using that day's gate money which obviously hasn't been collected by the time we have to be on the field.

IMO, that's BS.

Have whoever collects the money pay you up-front and use the gate receipts to get reimbursed himself / herself.

[JJ]

I agree with Bob. They should set aside some of the money from the PREVIOUS game's gate to pay the umpires BEFORE the game....

JJ

[MD Longhorn]

Y'all are lucky. Generally, we get a check - usually in the mail... occasionally at the end of the day (peewee at least).

[DG]

Depends on what type of game working. I don't like getting paid after the game, because I am ready to leave and sometimes payee not too happy. It is rare to get paid after game, I am having hard time remembering a case. Regardless of when, I don't worry about it too much. I have never not been paid. That would result in assigner/word of mouth problem for getting umpires for future games. I got a check the mail today for a double header two weekends ago. I knew it was coming, like clockwork..