Need help with a personal conflict

[Kevin Finnerty]

Quote:
Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.

Wow!

That's impressive. But what does that have to do with baseball in the 21st century?

And I still don't know what stealing from the government is, specifically. I suppose it's a bad thing, but there are degrees to everything, and the way the justice system works in this country, I cannot judge a person as bad because this system decided against him on something.

[Skarecrow]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Quote:
Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.

Wow!

That's impressive. But what does that have to do with baseball in the 21st century?

And I still don't know what stealing from the government is, specifically. I suppose it's a bad thing, but there are degrees to everything, and the way the justice system works in this country, I cannot judge a person as bad because this system decided against him on something.

Your statement makes me a little nervous. I love our justice system. It sure beats what's in second place......

He pled guilty. He is guilty. He is going to serve his debt, and he is entitled to fair treatment by all. To continue to work with him is a personal choice. However, as has been stated, MOST professional associations will remove a member for violations of moral turpitude...which includes a massive list of indiscretions..fraud being one of them..Maybe his association needs to revisit the rules for their membership.

[Kevin Finnerty]

You love our justice system? Then, I must assume, that you have had little or no first-hand experience with it.

And, based on part of the rest of your statement, you must have very little knowledge of some of the justice systems found in other civilized countries.

[Skarecrow]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

You love our justice system? Then, I must assume, that you have had little or no first-hand experience with it.

And, based on part of the rest of your statement, you must have very little knowledge of some of the justice systems found in other civilized countries.

wrong on both accounts....32 years of law enforcement....all levels.....

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Skarecrow

wrong on both accounts....32 years of law enforcement....all levels.....

Okay, then; strongly biased.

[Skarecrow]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Okay, then; strongly biased.

Interesting assessment....before, I was inexperienced.....now I am biased....how well you assess someone you've never met....

I've seen many injustices in our system...we all have....but it does work....from my biased opinion.....

[bob jenkins]

Enough.

[cbfoulds]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

You love our justice system? Then, I must assume, that you have had little or no first-hand experience with it.

And, based on part of the rest of your statement, you must have very little knowledge of some of the justice systems found in other civilized countries.

Sorry, Finnerty, you are completely full of crap on this one.

I have PLENTY of "first-hand" experience with our justice system, from just about every vantagepoint possible. I also have a pretty good familiarity with the "justice systems found in other civilized countries".

Skarecrow has it exactly right: as imperfect as it is [and I'll be the first to admit that it is VERY far from perfect], ours still beats hell out of whatever is in second place.

As far as the OP is concerned: like mbyron, I doubt I'll ever have to make the decision, 'cause I don't imagine that either my local assn or my state would tolerate a felon on the field. That said, I have to admit that I fully support that position - a person who steals ["even" from the Gov't] IS a "bad person", namely a thief; and while I believe in rehabilitation and redemption, that comes after the "debt to society" is paid, and after some period of "exile" from the community of law-abiding citizens.

[johnnyg08]

I've worked with guys who have been convicted of crimes...some crimes dealing with money, some alcohol stuff, drugs etc...They've done their time, I have no problem working with them. Certainly they'll never hold a treasury spot on our board, but that's a whole different story.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by cbfoulds

Sorry, Finnerty, you are completely full of crap on this one.

I have PLENTY of "first-hand" experience with our justice system, from just about every vantagepoint possible. I also have a pretty good familiarity with the "justice systems found in other civilized countries".

Skarecrow has it exactly right: as imperfect as it is [and I'll be the first to admit that it is VERY far from perfect], ours still beats hell out of whatever is in second place.

As far as the OP is concerned: like mbyron, I doubt I'll ever have to make the decision, 'cause I don't imagine that either my local assn or my state would tolerate a felon on the field. That said, I have to admit that I fully support that position - a person who steals ["even" from the Gov't] IS a "bad person", namely a thief; and while I believe in rehabilitation and redemption, that comes after the "debt to society" is paid, and after some period of "exile" from the community of law-abiding citizens.

I have lost two people close to me, and in both cases, it is because of a failure of our justice system that the admittedly biased Scarecrow loves. Another dear person to me had his life ruined by a drunk driver. He spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair. The justice system the admittedly biased Scarecrow loves had the perpretrator out of jail before my friend was out of the hospital. That's a sampling of my experience with it.

To have a curious rating system that automatically puts our system at No. 1 with no cogent argument for it is a little silly.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I have lost two people close to me, and in both cases, it is because of a failure of our justice system that the admittedly biased Scarecrow loves. Another dear person to me had his life ruined by a drunk driver. He spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair. The justice system the admittedly biased Scarecrow loves had the perpretrator out of jail before my friend was out of the hospital. That's a sampling of my experience with it.

The plural of anecdotes is not data.

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

To have a curious rating system that automatically puts our system at No. 1 with no cogent argument for it is a little silly.

Dishonest much?

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Quote:
Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.

I resemble that remark....and I try SO hard not to err....

JJ

[greymule]

Anyone old enough to remember Bizarro World from Superman comics?

The square (almost) duplicate world. Do you remember how the Bizarro United States differed from the Earth United States?

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by greymule

Anyone old enough to remember Bizarro World from Superman comics?

The square (almost) duplicate world. Do you remember how the Bizarro United States differed from the Earth United States?

No, don't remember Bizzaro World at all.

[greymule]

I had the Superman issue that introduced the Bizarro world. I remember that Bizarro Florida had a considerably longer peninsula. I think that Bizarro ice sank rather than floated, too. (Just that difference alone would have affected the Bizarro world so severely that it could not have existed anything like earth. But if Superman could throw dinosaurs unharmed from one planet to another, or blow planets back into orbit with his super breath, what's a little sinking ice?)

There was a third difference between Bizarro and Earth (other than the fact that Bizarro was square), but I can't think of it offhand. dash_riprock brought the subject up; maybe he knows.

I remember one story in which Superman showed off his batting skills before a Metropolis home game. He hit one ball out of the stadium, around the world, and back into the stadium. I've checked all my source materials, and none have any information on how you would rule on that if it occurred in a game and the ball was caught by a member of the defense. Another "hole" in the rule book.

Google is amazing:

http://www.comictreadmill.com/CTMBlo..._07/001976.php