Need help with a personal conflict

[bob jenkins]

I'd make sure that he didn't handle my check.

[pastordoug]

IMO, I'm working with the guy and trying to see if there is anything I can help do for him. We, as umpires, are a family. When we have guys in the hospital we go see them. Shouldn't be any different because someone gets in trouble. As long as he is NOT the Sec/Tres. I'm ok..... It seems as if there are so other issues that we are not privy to? "He who is without sin cast the first stone." I think I read that somewhere before (what did you expect from a Pastor!)

[rookieblue]

To expand a moment on the good Pastor's remarks, if I may, are we excluding from our company only government defalcators? How about other reprobates?

Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.

1 Cor 6:9-10

As an umpire, it's not my business to look into the legal situation of every one of my partners. I work the games I'm assigned.

More pith from mbyron.

[Matt]

What, exactly, are the misgivings you have?

Do you feel that his presence reflects negatively on the reputation of the association? Do you feel that his ability to umpire is impacted (maybe due to integrity issues?) Something else?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Matt

What, exactly, are the misgivings you have?

Do you feel that his presence reflects negatively on the reputation of the association? Do you feel that his ability to umpire is impacted (maybe due to integrity issues?) Something else?

Others might have these concerns, and since we're all independent contractors, we can each decide for ourselves whether to work with such an individual. I've already posted my decision, and I do not presume to decide for others.

The issue shouldn't arise in my state, because my state association lifts the license of a convicted felon immediately.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Quote:
Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.

Wow!

That's impressive. But what does that have to do with baseball in the 21st century?

And I still don't know what stealing from the government is, specifically. I suppose it's a bad thing, but there are degrees to everything, and the way the justice system works in this country, I cannot judge a person as bad because this system decided against him on something.

[Skarecrow]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Quote:
Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.

Wow!

That's impressive. But what does that have to do with baseball in the 21st century?

And I still don't know what stealing from the government is, specifically. I suppose it's a bad thing, but there are degrees to everything, and the way the justice system works in this country, I cannot judge a person as bad because this system decided against him on something.

Your statement makes me a little nervous. I love our justice system. It sure beats what's in second place......

He pled guilty. He is guilty. He is going to serve his debt, and he is entitled to fair treatment by all. To continue to work with him is a personal choice. However, as has been stated, MOST professional associations will remove a member for violations of moral turpitude...which includes a massive list of indiscretions..fraud being one of them..Maybe his association needs to revisit the rules for their membership.

[Kevin Finnerty]

You love our justice system? Then, I must assume, that you have had little or no first-hand experience with it.

And, based on part of the rest of your statement, you must have very little knowledge of some of the justice systems found in other civilized countries.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Quote:
Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.

I resemble that remark....and I try SO hard not to err....

JJ

[greymule]

Anyone old enough to remember Bizarro World from Superman comics?

The square (almost) duplicate world. Do you remember how the Bizarro United States differed from the Earth United States?

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'd make sure that he didn't handle my check.

Doubley sure, at that