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Here is my rationalization: You've got a fielder attempting to make a play (F2) and a BR already put out interfereing (regardless of intent). You've got to penalize the offending team, so I would call out the runner on which I believe F2 was going to make the play on. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? |
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I'm going to say I've got nothing. 7.09(e) Comment, I have nothing unless intentional.
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7.09e comment means his mere presence of advancing is not to be considered interference. It says it right there... "shall not by that act alone be considered [interfering]".
Yes, his advancement is not interfering. But by hindering or impeding F2s play on another runner after he has just put out is interference, and 7.09e gives us our penalty, "such runner [that the play was going to be made on] shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate." It is indeed the same rule that is used on the "batter you're out on strikes, runner, you're out on the interference" on the typical steal play strike 3. |
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The batter is not entitled to run. Say he did this on a dropped strike 2 thinking it was strike 3 and the same play happened.
If R2 was stealing, I would call him out on interference by the batter. Had this been strike 3 with R2 only (BR entitled to run) then this would be nothing. In an NCAA game, the ball is dead and all runners return by rule. |
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I generally agree with those who have this as interference, R2 out, return R1. I took the question from the NASO yearly quiz. The question made me think for a bit. I'm not sure I would have correctly ruled on the field, at least not initially. |
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But after reading that, I just caught the end that says "unless runners are stealing on the pitch," so it's the same in all codes. |
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Interference is interference. Agreed with this remedy to the solution. |
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The batter is not entitled to run. Say he did this on a dropped strike 2 thinking it was strike 3 and the same play happened.
If R2 was stealing, I would call him out on interference by the batter. Bossman: In fed you should call the batter out for the interference and return the runner with less than two outs. 7-3-5-c |
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Well, in the original play, the batter is not a batter anymore when he strikes out (nor a runner since he is not entitled to run). He is then considered another teammate, so the "batter's" interference rule would not apply.
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Disagree. He is a batter at the start of the play, same as any other batter who interferes. The ball hitting the catcher's glove doesn't change batter's role after the pitch is delivered. He is still the batter for interpreting BI.
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8-1-1 "The batter becomes a runner ... when:" (b) He is charged with a 3rd strike. So it seems to me that once strike 3 is called, he is no longer a batter, but a runner, so there is no way you can call batter's interference. |
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In FED parlance, he's now a "retired runner". I think the same concept can apply (at least in this play) to the other codes. |
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In OBR, he is hindering and impeding not by his advancement but by getting in the way with F2. (2.00 INT, 7.09 e). If he runs to first and the catcher gets confused and chases him, that is what 7.09e comment is covering. But if he interferes with or obstructs F2's play on another runner, yeah, we have double play, no doubt. I really don't see the issue here. |
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The batter is out if... The third strike is not caught... if first base is occupied when less than two are out. The batter becomes a runner if... The third strike is not caught... provided first is unocupied or first is ocupied when two are out. In the case here, the batter never becomes a runner if he is out on the third strike (first is occupied when two are out). I don't know why FED would say any different? Does he become a runner when he strikes out? We have a case of a retired batter attempting to run bases, not knowing he was out. I have seen many college games where the batter would run to first on a dropped third strike, only to be told by the first base umpire that he was out (First was occupied). Since I don't have the FED book, I don't know what the ruling is on accidental interference. |
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