Girardi/ARod double dip ejection

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

I am also uncomfortable with the calling of Jeter a rat. I love this game and respect it to almost no end. Jeter and his play and his achievements are a credit to the game. He's a first-ballot, no-brainer Hall of Famer and a champion. Of the 750 players, there are some true rats---there always are. But to brand one and all is preposterous.

"My momma always said, Rat is as Rat does."

Jeter knowingly lied to his manager and to the press. I doubt it was the first time. There is often a huge descrepancy between one's public image and one's true character.

Pete Rose is a good example; Mickey Mantle was another.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

"My momma always said, Rat is as Rat does."

Jeter knowling lied to his manager and to the press. I doubt it was the first time. There is often a huge descrepancy between one's public image and one's true character.

Pete Rose is a good example; Mickey Mantle was another.

You're not implying that Pete Rose is of good character, are you? Because his public image is awful, and his true character is definitely in keeping with that.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

You're not implying that Pete Rose is of good character, are you? Because his public image is awful, and his true character is definitely in keeping with that.

His public image is awful now, but it wasn't when he played.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by mbyron

His public image is awful now, but it wasn't when he played.

Thank you.

[Kevin Finnerty]

It was somewhat common knowledge in the 1970s and 80s that Pete Rose had a string of illegitimate children from coast-to-coast. He had a paternity suit array that would make a rock star proud. His womanizing became a true public spectacle by 1984, when he impregnated and married his Philadelphia Eagle cheerleader girlfriend.

Rose also was caught smuggling cash from Japanese autograph shows and selling memorabilia that was reported stolen or sold fraudulently claiming they were used in milestone games.

Pete is infamous for good reason. And his illustrious rampage was rather well-known while he was still in his prime and while he managed.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

It was somewhat common knowledge in the 1970s and 80s that Pete Rose had a string of illegitimate children from coast-to-coast. He had a paternity suit array that would make a rock star proud. His womanizing became a true public spectacle by 1984, when he impregnated and married his Philadelphia Eagle cheerleader girlfriend.

Rose also was caught smuggling cash from Japanese autograph shows and selling memorabilia that was reported stolen or sold fraudulently claiming they were used in milestone games.

Pete is infamous for good reason. And his illustrious rampage was rather well-known while he was still in his prime and while he managed.

What you write of here was not generally known. No doubt some, such as you, were aware, but, according to SI and others who kept track of such things on a current basis, it was not widely known.

Mr. Hustle was what most people saw and thought they knew, and it referred to on the field behavior, not in the alleys.

[Kevin Finnerty]

If you chose to ignore it, then it was not known to you. It was widely known.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

What you write of here was not generally known. No doubt some, such as you, were aware, but, according to SI and others who kept track of such things on a current basis, it was not widely known.

Mr. Hustle was what most people saw and thought they knew, and it referred to on the field behavior, not in the alleys.

I agree. I had never heard of illegitimate children, and I lived in Ohio (where Rose and the Reds played) and saw several Reds games in the 70s.

He was "Charlie Hustle."

[Kevin Finnerty]

Okay, if you never heard of it, then you chose not to.

I was a teenage baseball fan, for crying out loud, and I knew. I knew he was a scumbag and a fraud as far back as the mid-70s. It was public knowledge.