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Old Tue Sep 15, 2009, 07:47am
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[QUOTE=MrUmpire;625359]1. You are repeating a myth created by a rat. Marty did not say that.=QUOTE]

Is that what Marty told you?
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Old Tue Sep 15, 2009, 07:54am
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1. You are repeating a myth created by a rat. Marty did not say that.=QUOTE]

Is that what Marty told you?
I have heard the same from two independent sources whom I trust -- one of whom got it directly from Marty.
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Old Tue Sep 15, 2009, 11:37am
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I have replayed this video several times, and I can't see where that pitch is 'very outside'. Holy Cow, am I missing something here?
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Old Tue Sep 15, 2009, 07:51pm
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I have replayed this video several times, and I can't see where that pitch is 'very outside'. Holy Cow, am I missing something here?
No you are correct, AR should have hit the pitch, he just couldn't pull the trigger. Maybe a ball, but very close IMO.

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1. You are repeating a myth created by a rat. Marty did not say that.=QUOTE]

Is that what Marty told you?
He told it to a relative whom I trust explicitly.

I heard the exact same explanation from a AAA crew this summer. I guess it comes down to who do you trust...Marty or a Rat?

I'll take Marty.
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Old Wed Sep 16, 2009, 07:49am
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He told it to a relative whom I trust explicitly.

I heard the exact same explanation from a AAA crew this summer. I guess it comes down to who do you trust...Marty or a Rat?

I'll take Marty.
All I'm saying is that Marty Foster is not on record for saying that. Your account came off sounding like you were standing within earshot and heard the whole conversation. The closest thing there is to a quote on this subject is hearsay.

I will always believe the umpire before the player. If there would be one player that I would believe, it would be Jeter. Everything said about his character and demeanor is true. He is as nice a guy as they come.
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Old Wed Sep 16, 2009, 09:13am
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I will always believe the umpire before the player. If there would be one player that I would believe, it would be Jeter. Everything said about his character and demeanor is true. He is as nice a guy as they come.
I am also uncomfortable with the calling of Jeter a rat. I love this game and respect it to almost no end. Jeter and his play and his achievements are a credit to the game. He's a first-ballot, no-brainer Hall of Famer and a champion. Of the 750 players, there are some true rats---there always are. But to brand one and all is preposterous.

Perfect example: Eddie Murray. People everywhere talk down about him, and some can't even stand him. His detractors all have one thing in common: They don't know two things about the guy. He's as classy and decent a guy as there ever was in this game, and I have heard several noted veterans--Winfield, Scioscia, Hershiser, Ripken, Dempsey, Griffin and others--say that Murray's the finest teammate they ever had. But by prejudging him, he's a rat, too. Well, not the way some of us see things.
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Old Wed Sep 16, 2009, 12:58pm
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I am also uncomfortable with the calling of Jeter a rat. I love this game and respect it to almost no end. Jeter and his play and his achievements are a credit to the game. He's a first-ballot, no-brainer Hall of Famer and a champion. Of the 750 players, there are some true rats---there always are. But to brand one and all is preposterous.
"My momma always said, Rat is as Rat does."

Jeter knowingly lied to his manager and to the press. I doubt it was the first time. There is often a huge descrepancy between one's public image and one's true character.

Pete Rose is a good example; Mickey Mantle was another.

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"My momma always said, Rat is as Rat does."

Jeter knowling lied to his manager and to the press. I doubt it was the first time. There is often a huge descrepancy between one's public image and one's true character.

Pete Rose is a good example; Mickey Mantle was another.
You're not implying that Pete Rose is of good character, are you? Because his public image is awful, and his true character is definitely in keeping with that.
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Old Wed Sep 16, 2009, 01:36pm
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You're not implying that Pete Rose is of good character, are you? Because his public image is awful, and his true character is definitely in keeping with that.
His public image is awful now, but it wasn't when he played.
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I will always believe the umpire before the player. If there would be one player that I would believe, it would be Jeter. Everything said about his character and demeanor is true. He is as nice a guy as they come.
I wouldn't trust Jeter as far as I could throw him, which is not far. All players are rats at heart, no matter what they appear to be on the outside. That is the first lesson taught at umpire school.
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