Earrings and a ponytail.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, he said it in a letter to a ROTC Colonel who was trying to recruit him.

No, he didn't. That is both a misquotation and taken out of context.

[jwwashburn]

How could a misquotation have a context?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

How could a misquotation have a context?

Yes, it could only be one or the other, but not both. In the context Clinton meant it, he was describing people who he identified strongly with.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, it could only be one or the other, but not both. In the context Clinton meant it, he was describing people who he identified strongly with.

It was both.

He never stated "I loathe the military," nor was he stating that the military was bad.

It was a lamentation of the situation of the era, one in which he felt that a proud institution was being used in an immoral or improper fashion. This is abundantly clear in the sentences following the "loathing" comment.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Matt

No, he didn't. That is both a misquotation and taken out of context.

In his letter, he talked about his reasons for sympathizing with anti-war, anti-military supporters and draft dodgers, which he admitted he was. This is the paragraph which is often equated with his loathing of the military, written immediately following his explanation of why he would not go fight for his country.

"And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or, if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal."

[SanDiegoSteve]

Okay, we both know what he said. But did you read the rest of the letter in which he basically told the Colonel that he got a deferment to avoid the draft?

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Okay, we both know what he said. But did you read the rest of the letter in which he basically told the Colonel that he got a deferment to avoid the draft?

Yep. How is that any different from millions of others including many who later became famous chicken hawks?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Yep. How is that any different from millions of others including many who later became famous chicken hawks?

Uh, none of them were elected president?

Sorry, I can't relate. I volunteered during the Vietnam War at the age of 17.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Dick Cheney's a conservative. He's been loathing the military since the early 60s when he dreamed up his first deferment.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Dick Cheney is a boob, and not very conservative. Republicans are not all conservative and there are conservative democrats. There are two extremes, and both ends are highly dangerous.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Dick Cheney is a boob, and not very conservative.

Holy sh!t. I just spilled my beer.


Don't tell Rush or anyone over at FOX. They've all be touting him as one of the few remaining TRUE conservatives.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Holy sh!t. I just spilled my beer.


Don't tell Rush or anyone over at FOX. They've all be touting him as one of the few remaining TRUE conservatives.

Their party needs a leader that's not a radio host or former half-term governor. Failed vice-president is a big step up.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Sorry, I don't listen to talk radio very much these days. Nor do I sit around watching the news that just keeps getting better and better every day.

Give me sports, sports and more sports.

[JRutledge]

What in the heck does not wanting to go to war (a rather common feeling) and hating the military have to do with each other?

And I know some rather liberal people; I have never once heard someone suggest they hated the military. Maybe you do need to get out more often Steve.

Actually Steve there was a conservative religious group in Illinois that would go to military funerals from these current wars and would taunt the families and people attending the funeral. And their claim was those individuals deserved it because they military allowed gays in the military. A law had to be created by and Democratic Governor to create a buffer for protest at military funerals. Not sure where you get your information from.

Peace