Why not another? 9U play

[UmpJM]

Pete,

Valid points. I concur.

At least the PU didn't come on here and brag about throwing his partner under the bus.

JM

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

JM while we are "all over the coach" what has NOT been mentioned is this



We have 2 umpires out there the BU and the PU

Why in the world is the PU talking to this coach and throwing his YOUNG partner the BU under the bus UNLESS the PU is young himslef which would explain a lot.

Here is what should have happened assuming the PU had experience.

During the 90 second delay (when the coach was attending to the kid that got hit in the back), the PU should have signalled to the BU, got his attention and said "unless you thought R1 interfered on the play the runner is out as he was tagged."

Therefore, IMO we need to be consistent. if we are going to call the coach a rat what are we going to call the PU (again assuming the PU had experience) who threw his partner under the bus by telling the coach that the BU ruled the runner safe becasue he was hit with the ball and thereby embarassing the young umpire.

At best the PU should have kept quiet and then AFTER the game had a post game with the young umpire so that the young umpire could improove and also learn not to be intimated by a coach.

I agree 9 and under - enough said but there is more to go around here then just the coach. The PU could have and IMO should have stepped up to the plate and protected his partner but he did not.

if this PU was as young and inexperienced as the BU then forget my above comments.

Pete Booth

Pete,

Valid points about the PU(He looked to be in the 18-21 range, as well)

You forgot one thing. I did not do anything wrong.

Joe

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Pete,

You forgot one thing. I did not do anything wrong.

Joe

In addition to the "ignore" button, the owners should install a "rat" switch.

[rbmartin]

Train your umpires better.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Hey, if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Hey, if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.

Now, to be accurate...I did not cheat!

When I played 1B in HS baseball, I used an illegal Softball sized mitt(think Dodge Pinto sized) THAT was cheating! But, I needed every bit of help I could get.

[Welpe]

I think you need to come to grips with the fact this is 9U ball and it is what it is.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I think you need to come to grips with the fact this is 9U ball and it is what it is.

What in the world makes you think that I do not have a grip on the fact that the kids are 9U?

I am having a blast and our kids are smiling constantly...I cannot say that for many of the teams that we have faced.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

What in the world makes you think that I do not have a grip on the fact that the kids are 9U?

Might have something to do with this statement:

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

The PU told me a couple of innings later that the BU had thought that the runner was awarded the base because he was hit.

9U baseball - obviously dealing with inexperienced umpires and you're here bragging about how you put one over on him. Your apparent glee over this situation speaks volumes. 9-friggin-U baseball! And earlier in the week you're complaining about what an umpire claims he can and can't see.

[jicecone]

Joe , I think your more interested in winning the games than your kids. 9 under and the umpiring is bad? You need the grip baby.

Did you know all the rules when you started? Doubt it.

As smart as you seem to be, you have'nt figured out yet why we keeping shooting bullets at you. Bullets you supply us with. Don't worry, we all grow up sooner or later. One word of advise though.

RESPECT.

Have a nice day!!!

[JPaco54]

[QUOTE=jwwashburn;608170]
I said, "Nope, too late. You called him safe." I turned around and jogged away and heard him say but, but....I never looked back.

Joe, you can justify your actions to make yourself feel less guilt, and that is what I perceive from all your comments. Like I stated before, I do not know you personally and will not judge you personally, But my perception to this is a simple statement you made to the young ump. "Nope, too late. You called him safe." Then you ignored him and jogged off. To me this is just a flat lie. So, again perception. My perception of this OP is that you are trying to justify your actions in this situation by gaining some support from the members here. Otherwise, why would you post this situation? But, as you can tell you keep getting in deeper and keep trying to justify your actions. Some questions one should be asking oneself is...What did your young players learn from this? What was their perception on how the coach handled it? Can you tell them honestly without a doubt that you handled it correctly? How do you instill trust and honestly and team work and unity amoung the players and coaches? I carry some guilt from some of my past actions like yelling at a ref and getting tossed out of a gym in a youth basketball game 7 years ago. I explained to my wife my actions to gain support and to justify what I did and she quickly and directly told me I was wrong and you embarrased yourself and your family. My youngest boy has never forgotten that and I never will either. I had to ask him to forgive me and to explain to him how wrong I was. Humble pie, you bet. Maybe you should explain this situation to your spouse or close friend and see what feedback you get. Can't hurt anymore than what you have already received from these posts.

[jwwashburn]

Joe, you can justify your actions to make yourself feel less guilt, and that is what I perceive from all your comments. Like I stated before, I do not know you personally and will not judge you personally, But my perception to this is a simple statement you made to the young ump. "Nope, too late. You called him safe." Then you ignored him and jogged off. To me this is just a flat lie.

A flat lie would have been something completely different and you know it. I made a flippant comment and I actually did not expect him to pay attention.

So, again perception. My perception of this OP is that you are trying to justify your actions in this situation by gaining some support from the members here. Otherwise, why would you post this situation?

Why? For fun. I have fun with the ridiculous piety from some here. I have had fun with the embarrassing comments people have made.

But, as you can tell you keep getting in deeper and keep trying to justify your actions. Some questions one should be asking oneself is...What did your young players learn from this? What was their perception on how the coach handled it? Can you tell them honestly without a doubt that you handled it correctly?

Again. My young players did not learn anything from it because they did not know about the comment that the bU made or the one that I made. They learned that sometimes umpires make inexplicably awful calls and the game goes on and we do not get an explanation. they have learned throughout the season that their coaches do not argue with umpires. They have learned they they will not, either. As for how I handled it...I think the result would have been the same if I had not made the flippant comment but just left, instead. Maybe I should have not made the sarcastic remark...but it was a small deal, not a big one.

How do you instill trust and honestly and team work and unity amoung the players and coaches? I carry some guilt from some of my past actions like yelling at a ref and getting tossed out of a gym in a youth basketball game 7 years ago. I explained to my wife my actions to gain support and to justify what I did and she quickly and directly told me I was wrong and you embarrased yourself and your family. My youngest boy has never forgotten that and I never will either. I had to ask him to forgive me and to explain to him how wrong I was. Humble pie, you bet. Maybe you should explain this situation to your spouse or close friend and see what feedback you get. Can't hurt anymore than what you have already received from these posts.

Ok, I am glad you learned from your explosion in a gym. I did not do anything like what you did. This was not that. this was a smart-alleck flippant remark that only the BU and I heard. I have discussed this with several friends(umpires and not) the most stern rebuke I got was: Well, it probably would have been better if you had just said nothing.

I think that is right. It probably would have been perfect if I had said nothing...but some folks here would not have been satisfied with that! Some people think I should help the umpire call my guy out. That is just insane.

[JPaco54]

Joe - Thanks for the feedback and maybe your intentions have hit home with some of us. I know it has with me. I guess this is fun in some way. It is very interesting to see how we all respond to many rules and situations on this forum. But, what I have learned from your initial OP is that there are many that are very sensitive and sincere about brining honor and integrity to the game and that is a good thing. Y'all have a good weekend.

Almost forget, I have learned also that at times I should just not say anything as was suggested by some.